{"id":146751,"date":"2023-02-21T15:57:45","date_gmt":"2023-02-21T15:57:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.allencarr.com\/articles\/podcast-4\/"},"modified":"2024-11-25T13:59:15","modified_gmt":"2024-11-25T13:59:15","slug":"podcast-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.allencarr.com\/en-us\/podcasts\/podcast-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast 4"},"content":{"rendered":"    <section  class=\"container container--large article-container\">\n            <div class=\"article \">\n            <div class=\"article__sidebar\">\n                <div class=\"sidebar-inner-section author\">\n                    <div class=\"author__avatar\">\n                                                                                                            <img decoding=\"async\"\n     src=\"https:\/\/allen-carr-live.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/16104103\/author-colleen-dwyer.jpeg\"\n             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                                                           <h6 class=\"author__title sidebar-content\">Head of Global Corporate &#038; Senior Facilitator<\/h6>\n                                    <\/div>\n                                                    <div class=\"sidebar-inner-section\">\n                        <span class=\"sidebar-sub-title\">Reviewed by<\/span>\n                        <a href=\"https:\/\/www.allencarr.com\/en-us\/authors\/john-dicey-2\/\" title=\"John Dicey Bio\">\n                            <p class=\"sidebar-content\">John Dicey<\/p>\n                        <\/a>\n                    <\/div>\n                                <div class=\"sidebar-inner-section\">\n                    <span class=\"sidebar-sub-title\">Published<\/span>\n                                        <p class=\"sidebar-content\">21 February 2023<\/p>\n                <\/div>\n                <div class=\"sidebar-inner-section\">\n                    <span 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have been in contact with questions including \u2013 <\/p>\n<p>\u00b7         Why do we use the term quitting when Allen Carr was against using this phrase<br \/>\n\u00b7         Does the book work the second time around?<\/p>\n<p>Ty Gray El also joins the conversation and shares his history with smoking and heroin addiction and how he quit drinking with Allen Carr&#8217;s Easyway book.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019d like your questions answered drop us a line on <a href=\"mailto:pod@allencarr.com\">pod@allencarr.com<\/a> with whatever you\u2019d like to say or any questions that you have.<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"accordion video-block__transcript\" data-accordion=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"video-block__transcript-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" data-ref=\"toggle\">[<span data-ref=\"switch-on\">view<\/span><span data-ref=\"switch-off\">hide<\/span> transcript]<\/a><\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"accordion__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Hi, and thanks for joining us on Allen Carr&#8217;s Easyway podcast.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m Colleen Dwyer.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m a senior Allen Carr\u2019s Easyway facilitator.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m the presenter of our series of online video programs and your podcast host.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s great to have you back and I&#8217;m looking forward to sharing some inspiring insights into the revolutionary method developed by Allen Carr.<\/p>\n<p>We offer an approach that helps people overcome their addictions without the need for willpower<br \/>\nor substitutes.<\/p>\n<p>We begin with our addiction Central segment and regular contributor John Dicey the global CEO of Allen Carr\u2019s Easyway, who is also the co-author of Allen Carr<br \/>\nBooks and a senior Allen Carrs, facilitator who has helped literally millions of addicts to freedom over the last 25 years.<\/p>\n<p>John and I are hearing from listeners who&#8217;ve contacted us with questions,including Why do we use the term quitting?<\/p>\n<p>When Allen Carr\u2019s against using this phrase and does the book work the second time around?<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;d like your questions answered, drop us a line on pod@allencarr.com with whatever you&#8217;d like to say<br \/>\nor any questions that you have.<\/p>\n<p>And we&#8217;re also joined today by Tigre El, who is an internationally renowned storyteller and author, activist, poet, playwright and public speaker.<\/p>\n<p>It was so interesting to hear Ty talking about his history with smoking and heroin addiction and how he quit alcohol with Allen Carr&#8217;s<br \/>\nbook.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s got a great voice and he&#8217;s a fascinating character and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re going to enjoy the conversation.<\/p>\n<p>If you have any questions or comments about any addictions or about the podcast.<\/p>\n<p>Please get in touch.<\/p>\n<p>And even if we don&#8217;t actually feature your question and a future episode of the podcast, we will personally reply to every single question we receive, providing you with detailed advice and guidance.<\/p>\n<p>So don&#8217;t forget, get in touch on pod@allencarr.com and do also check out www.allencarr.com and there you&#8217;ll see the host of Addictions and Issues, Allen Carr\u2019s Easyway has now been applied to.<\/p>\n<p>So let&#8217;s get started here I am talking with John Dicey<\/p>\n<p>Hello, John. Good to see you again.<\/p>\n<p>So we have three questions from three listeners today and I&#8217;ll start off with Jasper, who is in London in the UK.<\/p>\n<p>Jasper says, Why do we use the word quit in the book titles now when historically Allen Carr<br \/>\nwas always against using it, i.e. you&#8217;re not quitting or giving in to anything.<\/p>\n<p>What do you say to that John?<\/p>\n<p>Well, this is great, isn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n<p>Because we have we should have full disclosure here.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve kind of emailed about this this morning and we&#8217;ve come up some really interesting stuff because this question, it comes up a lot on our social media.<\/p>\n<p>And I, you know, I work with Allen, you work closely with Allen as well. I always got the impression somewhere along the line that the quit was one of those sort of words we want to avoid if we can really.<\/p>\n<p>And I think that that does go back a long way.<\/p>\n<p>I think possibly, you know, we&#8217;re getting old only to the last century, you know.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, my God, Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Allen was always quite rightly saying, we don&#8217;t talk about quitting.<\/p>\n<p>We talk about getting rid of it or Skyping or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>I think the quitting thing might have got mixed up in that<\/p>\n<p>and I think I&#8217;ve been<br \/>\ncould be one of these urban myths<\/p>\n<p>because I&#8217;ve been asked about it<br \/>\nso frequently, so often<\/p>\n<p>on always say the same thing,<br \/>\nwhich is, yeah,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nAllen and I, we used to talk about, about<\/p>\n<p>language and<\/p>\n<p>terminology, thinking<br \/>\nthis might have come up<\/p>\n<p>when the book was first published<br \/>\nin the USA since we corresponded early<\/p>\n<p>on, racking my brain to think<\/p>\n<p>what might have caused it.<\/p>\n<p>And I think it might have been something<br \/>\nin the USA.<\/p>\n<p>where nobody talks about stopping smoking<br \/>\nor quitting smoking.<\/p>\n<p>In the USA they talk about quitting.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what they talk about.<\/p>\n<p>So almost got lost in translation.<\/p>\n<p>And some people are things like think,<br \/>\nyou know, quitting.<\/p>\n<p>Quitting is a bad word.<\/p>\n<p>We don&#8217;t think about quitting.<\/p>\n<p>Whereas I think<\/p>\n<p>most people have got a negative<br \/>\nview of quitting, have a, you know,<\/p>\n<p>a bad relationship.<br \/>\nYou quit, get a wife.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re a bad job, be quit,<br \/>\ngo somewhere else or whatever else.<\/p>\n<p>And this is the interesting bit<\/p>\n<p>is the way you were brilliant.<\/p>\n<p>I sort of flagged this up with you<br \/>\nearlier,<\/p>\n<p>thinking that, you know,<br \/>\nthe old people taught us, right,<\/p>\n<p>that some point in the past<br \/>\nand it must have been<\/p>\n<p>disparaging about quitting and quit<\/p>\n<p>or definitely talk to them about it.<\/p>\n<p>And this is going back in<br \/>\nsort of the early 2000s.<\/p>\n<p>And it came up and we thought,<br \/>\nwell, we&#8217;ve got to<\/p>\n<p>we&#8217;ve got to start using it more<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s unavoidable and partly<\/p>\n<p>because even back then, the search<br \/>\nengine optimisation of websites<\/p>\n<p>require you to use the word,<br \/>\nyou know, the phrase quit smoking if you<\/p>\n<p>if you use the word<br \/>\nquit smoking in certain countries.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve got a clue what you&#8217;re talking about.<\/p>\n<p>And even the sort of internal<br \/>\nwhat are they called algorithms on Amazon<\/p>\n<p>or whatever the book with the word quit<br \/>\nand it will work<\/p>\n<p>its way up quicker, higher, more quickly.<\/p>\n<p>So we had these conversations about it.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t, I honestly don&#8217;t remember<br \/>\nAllen having a problem with it.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, obviously there must have been<br \/>\nsomebody people were talking about it,<\/p>\n<p>but then we did some research today.<\/p>\n<p>Well, I got my book out. Yep.<\/p>\n<p>My third edition book of Allen Carr&#8217;s<br \/>\nEasy work, and that was published in 1999.<\/p>\n<p>Allen said, You know,<br \/>\nwe don&#8217;t talk about quitting.<\/p>\n<p>We talk about quitting, we talk about<br \/>\nstopping, we talk about escaping.<\/p>\n<p>His favourite one, he said, was escaping.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n<p>So I think<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s one of these urban myths<br \/>\nabout quitting or being wrong speak,<\/p>\n<p>which are going to be I&#8217;ve well, I&#8217;ve kind<br \/>\nof suffered that for years and years.<\/p>\n<p>So, you know, I&#8217;ve always got an answer<br \/>\nfor it, which is what we spoke about.<\/p>\n<p>And we&#8217;ve used and quit more and more<br \/>\nbecause the US thing and<\/p>\n<p>it was just a fact of life.<\/p>\n<p>We had to wonder whether there might be a<\/p>\n<p>there might be something<br \/>\nin one of the other books that, that where<\/p>\n<p>Allen talks about it maybe prior to the US,<br \/>\nmaybe he got some feedback or something.<\/p>\n<p>But okay, that&#8217;s not a bad show.<\/p>\n<p>Anybody out there who is under<br \/>\nthe impression that Allen said,<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t say you quit, let us know.<\/p>\n<p>Well, you know, we&#8217;ll find the reference.<\/p>\n<p>And we would love to know because we can&#8217;t<br \/>\nwe can&#8217;t find one.<\/p>\n<p>You haven&#8217;t got a first edition, a clean.<\/p>\n<p>I definitely have.<\/p>\n<p>I can dig out another copy.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll give you<br \/>\nI&#8217;ll give you a first edition because I&#8217;m.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m imagining you&#8217;ve got this.<\/p>\n<p>You know, shelves of Allen Carr books,<br \/>\ndifferent editions.<\/p>\n<p>And this is one small gap<br \/>\nwhere that focus should go.<\/p>\n<p>So actually on that, No,<br \/>\nI do like sometimes<\/p>\n<p>when we&#8217;re putting up<br \/>\nthe like tick tock videos.<\/p>\n<p>So when people have done<br \/>\na lot of video of themselves<\/p>\n<p>talking about their experiences<br \/>\nquitting, quitting with us<\/p>\n<p>and the tags that we put on<br \/>\nthere is amongst<\/p>\n<p>other tags,<br \/>\nthere is the tag quitting smoking.<\/p>\n<p>And we know he didn&#8217;t like talking about<\/p>\n<p>and none of us<br \/>\nlike talking about quitting.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s a definite<\/p>\n<p>you know, that&#8217;s not an Allen Carr<br \/>\nkind of way of thinking about it,<\/p>\n<p>but we still have to use it<br \/>\nbecause, like you say,<\/p>\n<p>because of the algorithms<br \/>\nand because that&#8217;s that&#8217;s the vernacular.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what people talk about<br \/>\nwhen they&#8217;re smokers<\/p>\n<p>and we got to meet people<br \/>\nwhere they&#8217;re right.<\/p>\n<p>You know, if people are going to be<br \/>\nsearching on Google for quitting smoking,<\/p>\n<p>we can&#8217;t ignore that.<\/p>\n<p>You know, we can&#8217;t ignore that.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s the language.<\/p>\n<p>That comes down to also that search<br \/>\nsearch engine optimisation, which is<\/p>\n<p>incredibly painful, painful process<br \/>\nto go through with a website<\/p>\n<p>that I don&#8217;t really I don&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>claim to understand it at all, but there&#8217;s<br \/>\nall kind of keywords you have to use<\/p>\n<p>on a certain number of page<br \/>\nin a certain number of ways or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s also where, you know, having to<br \/>\nuse quitting is really important.<\/p>\n<p>So I mean, sometimes I look at a website<br \/>\nand I love it,<\/p>\n<p>you know, really love what we got there,<\/p>\n<p>but there are pages on that.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s all about nicotine,<br \/>\nyou know, pages and pages, many,<\/p>\n<p>none of which I would ever want to write,<br \/>\nnone of which is relevant,<\/p>\n<p>not not to help anybody.<\/p>\n<p>But is there just for SEO purposes.<\/p>\n<p>But it does bother me because that&#8217;s not<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s really not<\/p>\n<p>what we&#8217;re about,<br \/>\nbut it&#8217;s a sign of the times.<\/p>\n<p>If, you know, if you have big pharma,<\/p>\n<p>other sort of<\/p>\n<p>perhaps unscrupulous people trying to,<br \/>\nyou know,<\/p>\n<p>get smokers or addicts<br \/>\nto access their services and they will<\/p>\n<p>they use all that, all the tools<br \/>\nin the are available to them.<\/p>\n<p>Then we&#8217;ve we&#8217;ve got to<br \/>\nwe&#8217;ve got to do the same thing.<\/p>\n<p>But yeah, so that was really great<br \/>\nlearning experience for me as well.<\/p>\n<p>Never made a proper quick,<br \/>\nwhich is quite nice<\/p>\n<p>if you are slightly awkward about it<br \/>\nanymore.<\/p>\n<p>And I was Edith, was Edith or somebody.<\/p>\n<p>Else, you know,<br \/>\nthat one was from Jasper in London.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, Jasper.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, Yeah, cool.<\/p>\n<p>I think we&#8217;ve answered Jasper&#8217;s question.<\/p>\n<p>I think. So.<\/p>\n<p>The next one is Edith,<br \/>\nand she&#8217;s from Winnipeg, Canada.<\/p>\n<p>So Edith says, I read the Allen Carr book<br \/>\nand listen to the DVD, quit<\/p>\n<p>so easily for a week and for some reason<br \/>\nI was stupid and started smoking again.<\/p>\n<p>And I heard if you do that,<br \/>\nthe book doesn&#8217;t work so well<\/p>\n<p>the second time around.<\/p>\n<p>So please tell me that is not true.<\/p>\n<p>I still know how<br \/>\nhow freeing it was to quit.<\/p>\n<p>I have two adult children with<br \/>\nserious illnesses and that is my stress.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m 63 and a retired ICU nurse.<\/p>\n<p>I love the taste of cigarette,<br \/>\nbut I know I&#8217;m kidding myself.<\/p>\n<p>And also the waste of money is ridiculous.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for any feedback.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s that&#8217;s Edith in Canada.<\/p>\n<p>Well, that&#8217;s great.<\/p>\n<p>Get a feel for for Edith there as well.<\/p>\n<p>So it<\/p>\n<p>sounds like she she was free<br \/>\nno problems with it.<\/p>\n<p>And she&#8217;s saying<br \/>\nnow she loves the taste of it.<\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;m guessing that when she was freed,<br \/>\nshe had no problems with it.<\/p>\n<p>She didn&#8217;t miss the taste of it.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s quite interesting.<\/p>\n<p>I think one of the things that when you<\/p>\n<p>when you fall back into the trap,<\/p>\n<p>all the old brainwashing,<br \/>\nall the old illusions and myths come back.<\/p>\n<p>I say shame with the most common<br \/>\none actually is when<\/p>\n<p>somebody quitted<br \/>\nsmoking for a year or something<\/p>\n<p>after seminar<br \/>\nand they they come back and they say,<\/p>\n<p>Oh, it didn&#8217;t work.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m really sorry<br \/>\nto hear about what happened.<\/p>\n<p>I said, Well,<\/p>\n<p>it was fine for you.<\/p>\n<p>You you work fine for me.<\/p>\n<p>Then I went out, drank<br \/>\ntoo much and smoked and that was that.<\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<p>One of the face of it that sounds<\/p>\n<p>like a reasonable<\/p>\n<p>thing for them to say.<\/p>\n<p>So let&#8217;s push them a little harder.<br \/>\nSo hang on.<\/p>\n<p>Let me think about it.<\/p>\n<p>So, did you live like a monk for a year?<\/p>\n<p>Not go out drinking, Not, you know.<\/p>\n<p>No, no, no, no.<\/p>\n<p>Was, you know, every Friday night,<br \/>\nevery Friday and Saturday night, you know,<\/p>\n<p>so you<\/p>\n<p>a year later, it was a particularly<br \/>\nsort of big night out.<\/p>\n<p>No, not particularly,<br \/>\nno. I&#8217;ve been on stag nights.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been of what<br \/>\nthe Cuban-American studied always.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, bachelor.<\/p>\n<p>Actual bachelor news or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>Else. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Big bowling<br \/>\ntournament&#8217;s never had a problem.<\/p>\n<p>I said, Well,<\/p>\n<p>it wasn&#8217;t the uncle, it was it.<\/p>\n<p>They sort of petty kind of drugs.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>once they get forced back into the trap,<br \/>\nall the old myths and illusions come in.<\/p>\n<p>The guy had gone,<br \/>\nyou know, a year without a problem.<\/p>\n<p>Now, what happened?<\/p>\n<p>What occurred after that?<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, it was he got overconfident.<\/p>\n<p>You know,<br \/>\nhe forgot one of the main instructions<\/p>\n<p>done through out of curiosity<br \/>\nor overconfidence.<\/p>\n<p>Have a cigarette.<\/p>\n<p>As soon as you do that, you&#8217;re back in<\/p>\n<p>is one thing,<\/p>\n<p>as I call service facilitators.<\/p>\n<p>We have to deal with a lot.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just not being confrontational<br \/>\nabout it, but just really kind of it.<\/p>\n<p>It takes honesty<br \/>\non the part of the smoker, you know,<\/p>\n<p>You know, if they want to dig their heels<br \/>\nin a kind that no, no,<\/p>\n<p>it was the alcohol<br \/>\nthat was appropriate, whatever.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s very difficult.<\/p>\n<p>But if if you can just illustrate<\/p>\n<p>with their own<\/p>\n<p>recollections<\/p>\n<p>how they really didn&#8217;t have a problem<br \/>\nwith alcohol at that point, then,<\/p>\n<p>you know, the<br \/>\nthe cause of that can only be<\/p>\n<p>one of several things, you know,<br \/>\noverconfidence, flippancy or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>So you had freedom<br \/>\nand you threw it down the drain.<\/p>\n<p>And great news is<br \/>\nwe can get you free again.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re not going to make<br \/>\nthat same mistake again.<\/p>\n<p>This time.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s really, really poor,<br \/>\nbecause I&#8217;ve thought back<\/p>\n<p>to a sort of Edith<br \/>\nwho is wants to get to freedom again.<\/p>\n<p>Was it with the book<br \/>\nshe was talking about or just.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah,<br \/>\nshe read the book and listened to the DVD.<\/p>\n<p>I think just to listen to<br \/>\nit isn&#8217;t a sort of a testament.<\/p>\n<p>What it says.<\/p>\n<p>I read the<\/p>\n<p>whole book and listen to the DVD,<br \/>\nso maybe she&#8217;s got an old version. Oh.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, I think so.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, that might be one with this,<\/p>\n<p>some sort of audio<br \/>\nthat came with it or something like that.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, well,<br \/>\nthis was for a first thing I&#8217;d say<\/p>\n<p>to get the latest up<br \/>\nto date version of the book.<\/p>\n<p>If you can&#8217;t attend a seminar<br \/>\nor get the online, be a program,<\/p>\n<p>The most up to date<\/p>\n<p>version of the method in written form<br \/>\nis an easy way to quit smoking<\/p>\n<p>tobacco rather than quit smoking<\/p>\n<p>and really is<\/p>\n<p>includes<\/p>\n<p>probably 20 years worth of learning<br \/>\nand understanding from the life seminar.<\/p>\n<p>So it really is it<br \/>\nit talks more about things<\/p>\n<p>that were mentioned<br \/>\nin the original book. So<\/p>\n<p>Habit habit is<\/p>\n<p>quite often I think in the first version<br \/>\nis it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>almost mentioned in passing,<br \/>\nbut in the easy way to quit smoking.<\/p>\n<p>We talk much more about it in terms of,<br \/>\nokay, how does, how does a habit work?<\/p>\n<p>What do we think is the habit<br \/>\nthe schools in the problem<\/p>\n<p>talk about,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nI guess a is for the 21st century.<\/p>\n<p>We talk about the association<br \/>\nbetween smoking and anxiety<\/p>\n<p>and self-harm,<br \/>\nwhich we never be in the book<\/p>\n<p>in terms of<\/p>\n<p>use with cannabis, that kind of thing.<\/p>\n<p>Just a whole there&#8217;s<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s an awful lot of stuff in there<\/p>\n<p>which wasn&#8217;t covered in the original,<\/p>\n<p>which is probably more, more,<\/p>\n<p>more necessary than ever<\/p>\n<p>today.<\/p>\n<p>And, and, and expanding on it as well.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re not taking the other other bits<br \/>\nand pieces forward.<\/p>\n<p>The association between<\/p>\n<p>smoking and White Guide is have handled<br \/>\nmuch more in much more detail<\/p>\n<p>about avoid going back to smoking again.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s handled in much more detail.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s the first thing.<\/p>\n<p>Or do it if it<br \/>\nif you can afford to get get the right<\/p>\n<p>the absolutely latest version of the book<\/p>\n<p>or as I got to say,<\/p>\n<p>get yourself booked into a life seminar<\/p>\n<p>as a money back guarantee.<\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t you can&#8217;t lose really.<\/p>\n<p>And I think I say our approaches<\/p>\n<p>all before we<br \/>\nwe put together the podcast and I so<\/p>\n<p>I sent Edith a memory<\/p>\n<p>or a got a couple of pages of advice on<\/p>\n<p>what to do.<\/p>\n<p>She just wants to, you know,<br \/>\nuse the book that she&#8217;s, she&#8217;s still got<\/p>\n<p>that should, that should,<br \/>\nyou know, hold in good stead.<\/p>\n<p>She&#8217;d rather if she&#8217;d rather do that.<\/p>\n<p>And the thing for you to add to that, you<br \/>\nknow, cover everything all your business.<\/p>\n<p>If someone&#8217;s quit with a book<br \/>\nlike Edith says that she was<\/p>\n<p>happy to know it was so easy for a week.<\/p>\n<p>So she knows and she can remember<br \/>\nhow freeing it was to quit,<\/p>\n<p>well then she that can<br \/>\nsometimes make you panic a little bit more<\/p>\n<p>because you think, Oh my God,<\/p>\n<p>if I blown my one and only chance,<br \/>\nyou know, and absolutely not.<\/p>\n<p>You know, you just<br \/>\nyou&#8217;ve had a glimpse of what you&#8217;re after.<\/p>\n<p>So it&#8217;s just about like you say,<br \/>\nare there reading that book again<\/p>\n<p>with the guidance that you provided<br \/>\nor I can&#8217;t help myself of saying it,<\/p>\n<p>but better still, you know,<br \/>\ndo the do the seminar.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes I wonder whether people think<br \/>\nit&#8217;s like, you know, like some<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not called a pyramid scheme, but like<\/p>\n<p>they get you in at a certain low level,<br \/>\nyou know, cheap way of doing it.<\/p>\n<p>And then you have to pay more<br \/>\nto get to a different status<\/p>\n<p>and a different and it&#8217;s almost like,<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know, some people worry<\/p>\n<p>perhaps that that&#8217;s what this is,<br \/>\nthat, you know, you get them in<\/p>\n<p>with a hook of the book<\/p>\n<p>and then they&#8217;ve got to pay<br \/>\na bigger amount to get to the next level.<\/p>\n<p>And the next level is not that.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just that this is the most<br \/>\npowerful way of getting it.<\/p>\n<p>And same as you, John. I read the book.<\/p>\n<p>I liked it.<\/p>\n<p>You know, I found it very insightful<br \/>\nand perceptive and I related to<\/p>\n<p>what was being said,<br \/>\nbut I didn&#8217;t quit smoking.<\/p>\n<p>I thank goodness there was a seminar<\/p>\n<p>because I don&#8217;t know what I returned to<br \/>\nif not.<\/p>\n<p>So yeah, thank goodness<br \/>\nI went along to the seminar.<\/p>\n<p>I was nervous. I was worried.<\/p>\n<p>I thought, Oh, you know,<br \/>\nwhat are they going to say to me<\/p>\n<p>that&#8217;s different from the book?<br \/>\nI know what&#8217;s in the book.<\/p>\n<p>So you know, how how is this going to be<br \/>\nany different in the seminar?<\/p>\n<p>And but of course it is<br \/>\nfor all the reasons that you&#8217;ve mentioned,<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;re in a group with other<br \/>\npeople are in the same boat as you.<\/p>\n<p>The facilitator<br \/>\ncan actually answer your questions.<\/p>\n<p>They can pick up on any miscommunications,<br \/>\nmisunderstand endings.<\/p>\n<p>There are different ways<br \/>\nto demonstrate the trap the book can&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>So it&#8217;s, you know,<br \/>\nif it&#8217;s possible at all.<\/p>\n<p>Edith I would 100% recommend<br \/>\ngoing to the seminar,<\/p>\n<p>but if not, you&#8217;ve got great advice<br \/>\nthere from John in your email to,<\/p>\n<p>to reread the book.<\/p>\n<p>And with, with that guidance.<\/p>\n<p>I think you&#8217;re right about the sort of<\/p>\n<p>some people&#8217;s perception<br \/>\ncan be a little bit, a little bit skewed.<\/p>\n<p>I think people are quite cynical about<br \/>\neverything, you know, not just about,<\/p>\n<p>you know, stopping smoking with Allen Carr,<br \/>\nbut there&#8217;s a lot of cynicism<\/p>\n<p>out there<\/p>\n<p>and I do make it my business<br \/>\nto kind of keep an eye<\/p>\n<p>on what sort of other quit smoking<\/p>\n<p>methods are doing in their marketing.<\/p>\n<p>And virtually all of them hook people<br \/>\nin with an advert<\/p>\n<p>for something<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s either free or cheap and then up.<\/p>\n<p>So I think there&#8217;s<br \/>\nthe official phrase for that.<\/p>\n<p>So now if you really want to quit smoking,<br \/>\nit&#8217;s going to cost you this much<\/p>\n<p>and add this on or whatever else.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s just not us.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve<br \/>\nnever we&#8217;ve never, ever been like that.<\/p>\n<p>We just we are quite open about it<br \/>\nthat the greater the book<\/p>\n<p>makes it really affordable<br \/>\nfor everyone to use the method<\/p>\n<p>and has been for normally successful.<\/p>\n<p>As I say, we don&#8217;t want people<br \/>\nto misunderstand what we&#8217;re saying.<\/p>\n<p>The book is brilliant.<\/p>\n<p>You know, the best selling,<br \/>\nmost effective quit smoking<\/p>\n<p>book of all time worldwide<br \/>\nand it&#8217;s something else.<\/p>\n<p>But, you know, don&#8217;t beat yourself up<br \/>\nif if it does work for you, that&#8217;s a<\/p>\n<p>that&#8217;s you know,<br \/>\nbecause you know, it&#8217;s like that, sir.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s Allen Carr Lite,<br \/>\nyou know, that makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>I know it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a great point.<\/p>\n<p>I think Edith and other people<br \/>\nlistening said well I on<\/p>\n<p>what do you say you want me to say<br \/>\nit won&#8217;t work the second time.<\/p>\n<p>I think there is a part you know, in<br \/>\none of the books where Allen says that<\/p>\n<p>I think all, all he&#8217;s trying to do<br \/>\nis have people cherish their freedom.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s all I would say.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s everybody.<\/p>\n<p>You know, if you&#8217;re listening to this<\/p>\n<p>and you&#8217;re already free<br \/>\nfrom whatever drug it was<\/p>\n<p>and you&#8217;re cheating in that out of interest,<br \/>\nyou know, never quit<\/p>\n<p>cherishing your free to be Starbucks<br \/>\nbrilliant thing you&#8217;ve got.<\/p>\n<p>And the only time<\/p>\n<p>people have issues<br \/>\nis is when they take it for granted,<\/p>\n<p>they may start<br \/>\njust being flippant about it.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just which is it seems crazy now.<\/p>\n<p>People forget<\/p>\n<p>what it was they escaped from.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s the only time<br \/>\nreally where they get sucked in. So<\/p>\n<p>one hand. Yep. Don&#8217;t you worry, Edith.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re going to get you sorted out again<br \/>\nnext.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no problem on the other.<\/p>\n<p>Once you&#8217;re free again, cherish it.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the most<br \/>\nyou know, You&#8217;ve really got to.<\/p>\n<p>Got to guide it with your life.<br \/>\nAnd it&#8217;s not hard.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not.<br \/>\nYou&#8217;re not to by the effort into it.<\/p>\n<p>You just need you need to sort of,<\/p>\n<p>you know, I don&#8217;t think a day goes by<br \/>\nwhen I don&#8217;t feel so grateful.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t smoke.<\/p>\n<p>I mean,<br \/>\nit sounds a bit boring, doesn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n<p>But it causes my mind,<\/p>\n<p>I suppose, mainly because sort of work<br \/>\nand writing all the time.<\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;d be dead now, I no doubt about it.<\/p>\n<p>A long time ago I<\/p>\n<p>had a, I don&#8217;t know, quitted.<\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t, you can&#8217;t smoke.<\/p>\n<p>I, you die<br \/>\nand you have not beat those odds at all.<\/p>\n<p>So every year I might pass this.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m just happier,<br \/>\nyou know, just it is a real bonus.<\/p>\n<p>So, yeah, be excited about being free<br \/>\nand cherish it.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the really important thing.<\/p>\n<p>Since just a teaching central gig, since<\/p>\n<p>we want to hear your success story<\/p>\n<p>and provide advice is<\/p>\n<p>one to you.<\/p>\n<p>This advice is free of charge.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll answer every question<br \/>\nwe receive with no exceptions.<\/p>\n<p>As far as AllenCarr. Com.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you so much, John, and thanks to<br \/>\neveryone who sent in their questions.<\/p>\n<p>And now here I am talking with Ty, so just a little history.<\/p>\n<p>I came, I came from a family where,<\/p>\n<p>okay, I stole my first<\/p>\n<p>cigarette when I was nine years old<\/p>\n<p>and I smoked,<\/p>\n<p>you know, sporadically up until maybe 11.<\/p>\n<p>And then I started to smoke regularly.<\/p>\n<p>As a matter of fact, at 12 years old,<br \/>\nI smoked around my whole family.<\/p>\n<p>It was okay.<\/p>\n<p>So everybody in my family<br \/>\nsmoked on my own.<\/p>\n<p>And I lived with my mother and grandmother<br \/>\nand and all of them.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, my uncles, my aunts, my<br \/>\ngrandmother, my mother, everybody smoked.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, and, you know, so<br \/>\nI&#8217;m a baby boomer.<\/p>\n<p>I was born back in 1952.<\/p>\n<p>So in 1960,<\/p>\n<p>I mean, you were like an outlier<br \/>\nif you didn&#8217;t smoke.<\/p>\n<p>You know what I mean?<\/p>\n<p>It was cool to smoke.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, in the end.<\/p>\n<p>So I smoked cigarettes<\/p>\n<p>all the way until August<\/p>\n<p>the 19th, 1979.<\/p>\n<p>And the reason why I know that date<br \/>\nis because<\/p>\n<p>I went to a hypnotist on a dare<\/p>\n<p>because I had been trying to quit smoking<\/p>\n<p>and I couldn&#8217;t you know,<br \/>\nI just wasn&#8217;t able to do it on my own.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t have<br \/>\nI didn&#8217;t have I didn&#8217;t have the easy way.<\/p>\n<p>If I had known the easy way, I would<br \/>\nI wouldn&#8217;t have gone through all that.<\/p>\n<p>But anyway,<br \/>\nI go to this hypnotist on a dare.<\/p>\n<p>I told the guy, I said,<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t think it worked.<\/p>\n<p>He said, Well,<br \/>\nbut you don&#8217;t smoke anymore, do you?<\/p>\n<p>And I said, No, I don&#8217;t think I do.<\/p>\n<p>And because when I,<\/p>\n<p>when he when I went to the hypnotist,<br \/>\nit was about a 40 minute session<\/p>\n<p>and when<\/p>\n<p>it was over, it was like, Well,<br \/>\nwhen are you going to hypnotise?<\/p>\n<p>You know what I mean?<\/p>\n<p>In my brain, I was like, Nothing.<\/p>\n<p>It happened.<\/p>\n<p>So. So<\/p>\n<p>I go out to the car<\/p>\n<p>and I look up at the cigarettes<br \/>\nover the sun visor.<\/p>\n<p>I take the cigarettes out<\/p>\n<p>and throw them in the nearest bin.<\/p>\n<p>Never smoked a cigarette since that day.<\/p>\n<p>Oh yeah.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s interesting<br \/>\nbecause we use light relaxation as well<\/p>\n<p>at the Allen Carr seminars<br \/>\nand it is like it&#8217;s a really useful tool<\/p>\n<p>to use in conjunction<br \/>\nwith the Allen Carr method.<\/p>\n<p>I enjoyed that success with that.<\/p>\n<p>But about the heroin thing,<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s different.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. So<\/p>\n<p>okay, so a little bit of back story,<br \/>\na little bit more back story.<\/p>\n<p>So I was born and raised<\/p>\n<p>in the first all black<\/p>\n<p>public assisted housing project<br \/>\nin the United States of America.<\/p>\n<p>The pilot program for public assisted<br \/>\nhousing for black folk in<\/p>\n<p>America is a little place called<\/p>\n<p>Langston Terrace in Washington, D.C.,<\/p>\n<p>about 40 blocks from the capital,<br \/>\nthe White House.<\/p>\n<p>And they built these places<br \/>\nback in the early thirties,<\/p>\n<p>a part of President Roosevelt&#8217;s New Deal.<\/p>\n<p>Well, I was born in 52,<\/p>\n<p>and I remember the projects<br \/>\nas a child being home.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it&#8217;s just where I grew up.<\/p>\n<p>And at 13 years old, 1965,<br \/>\nI remember these things by the years.<\/p>\n<p>In 1965, I noticed that heroin had<\/p>\n<p>just taken over my entire neighbourhood<\/p>\n<p>and it was just most of the people<\/p>\n<p>who I had looked up to<br \/>\nwho were role models to me<\/p>\n<p>were seen all over the place<\/p>\n<p>with all of the<\/p>\n<p>all of the things that come<br \/>\nwith heroin addiction, like nodding<\/p>\n<p>all of the behaviours.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, you could see people<br \/>\nactually it was so bad<\/p>\n<p>and the heroin was so prevalent,<br \/>\nColleen, that you could see<\/p>\n<p>people walk up to the lamp<br \/>\npost about to cross the street at the<\/p>\n<p>at the crosswalk, and they start to nod<\/p>\n<p>right there if just in one year<\/p>\n<p>it flooded my neighbourhood<br \/>\nand I look back on it retrospectively.<\/p>\n<p>Now I&#8217;ve actually written about this stuff<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s clear that it was,<\/p>\n<p>you know, it was designed, it just was,<br \/>\nyou know, it was there.<\/p>\n<p>So I got caught up in it.<\/p>\n<p>I was introduced to heroin at 13 years old<\/p>\n<p>and had it for the first year.<\/p>\n<p>You know, I just put it in my nose and<\/p>\n<p>it was semi casual.<\/p>\n<p>But you asked<br \/>\nmaybe how does a 13 or 14 year old<\/p>\n<p>even get close to heroin?<\/p>\n<p>How is that allowed? Well,<\/p>\n<p>growing up<br \/>\nin these United States of America,<\/p>\n<p>as a black man<\/p>\n<p>in certain neighbourhoods,<\/p>\n<p>you almost it&#8217;s almost you&#8217;re you&#8217;re<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;re extremely fortunate if you escape<\/p>\n<p>because it&#8217;s like everywhere<br \/>\nit&#8217;s like what you do it&#8217;s,<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost like normal<\/p>\n<p>or it was back then anyway, so it&#8217;s okay.<\/p>\n<p>So I got caught up in it.<\/p>\n<p>And so for 15 years<\/p>\n<p>I still have the marks that could roll<br \/>\nmy sleeves up and show you.<\/p>\n<p>But I still had the marks<br \/>\nfor 15 years of heroin addiction.<\/p>\n<p>I sent me to jail.<\/p>\n<p>I lost everything.<\/p>\n<p>I had ten different times<\/p>\n<p>that.<\/p>\n<p>But I can say now, well, I laugh about it<br \/>\nbecause on September<\/p>\n<p>25th, again,<br \/>\nI know these dates because they&#8217;re<\/p>\n<p>well, everybody<\/p>\n<p>everybody who&#8217;s ever been through<br \/>\nany sort of real addiction,<\/p>\n<p>especially if you&#8217;ve gone through<br \/>\nany of those rooms like<\/p>\n<p>in a or AA, you know, the<br \/>\nyou know, you clean day.<\/p>\n<p>So my clean date is September 25th, 1980.<\/p>\n<p>And I know that for two reasons.<\/p>\n<p>One is that day<br \/>\nI got arrested, got locked up in the way,<\/p>\n<p>and the other is my daughter&#8217;s birthday,<br \/>\nwho she was<\/p>\n<p>six years old then<\/p>\n<p>is September 25th, the same day.<\/p>\n<p>So I actually got arrested<br \/>\non her birthday.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s the last day I did any heroin.<\/p>\n<p>And I didn&#8217;t I didn&#8217;t use any.<\/p>\n<p>Well, I went through I went through<\/p>\n<p>a whole bunch of training program.<\/p>\n<p>I never did the 12 step program,<\/p>\n<p>but I got sent to a federal<br \/>\ncorrectional institution<\/p>\n<p>here.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s it&#8217;s called Lexington, Kentucky.<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s still it&#8217;s still open today.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s been open since the fifties,<br \/>\nwhere anybody convicted<\/p>\n<p>of any kind of crime<\/p>\n<p>for rehabilitation<br \/>\npurposes can go to Lexington, Kentucky.<\/p>\n<p>And so I went there and I started studying<\/p>\n<p>self image, psychology,<br \/>\nrational behavior therapy.<\/p>\n<p>I was in a therapeutic<br \/>\na therapeutic community.<\/p>\n<p>And I learned,<br \/>\nyou know, so much about myself<\/p>\n<p>that I never had the desire<br \/>\nto do heroin again,<\/p>\n<p>especially after all the stuff<\/p>\n<p>that I did. So.<\/p>\n<p>But I wasn&#8217;t through with addiction<\/p>\n<p>because one of the things that stands out<br \/>\nabout Allen cause easy way.<\/p>\n<p>I think the thing that hit me<\/p>\n<p>the most was his chapter on<\/p>\n<p>having an addictive personality,<\/p>\n<p>because I thought until I read that<\/p>\n<p>book, that I had an addictive personality.<\/p>\n<p>I thought<\/p>\n<p>I thought three quarters of<\/p>\n<p>my family was the person that I thought<\/p>\n<p>that most of my friends<br \/>\nand family had addictive personalities.<\/p>\n<p>And so his that<br \/>\nthat book changed my mind about that,<\/p>\n<p>because while I got away from cigarettes<br \/>\nand I got away from heroin,<\/p>\n<p>I never fully got away from alcohol.<\/p>\n<p>I would still I would still revert back.<\/p>\n<p>I would I would go through these<br \/>\nlong periods where<\/p>\n<p>I was in remission.<\/p>\n<p>If that&#8217;s a good way to put it, I would<\/p>\n<p>I would use in using willpower,<\/p>\n<p>just not drink.<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;d go six months,<br \/>\neight months, a year and a half<\/p>\n<p>and over the last, you know,<\/p>\n<p>all my life, actually, since then,<br \/>\nI think I took my first drink<\/p>\n<p>when I was about 12,<br \/>\nstole that from my family.<\/p>\n<p>You know, that was<\/p>\n<p>I had it.<\/p>\n<p>I had it.<\/p>\n<p>It is Your culture is so different<br \/>\nfrom ours.<\/p>\n<p>You might well,<br \/>\nyou you may be able understand this<\/p>\n<p>because you may do<br \/>\nsome of the same things.<\/p>\n<p>But I come from a family where<\/p>\n<p>on Fridays and Saturday<br \/>\nnights, the weekends,<\/p>\n<p>everybody played cards, everybody smoked,<\/p>\n<p>everybody drank.<\/p>\n<p>They big fried chicken,<br \/>\nfried fish made food.<\/p>\n<p>You you, you gambled and you drink.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what we eat.<\/p>\n<p>And so<\/p>\n<p>so I think I took I think<br \/>\nI may have stolen my first sip of alcohol,<\/p>\n<p>which this book resonates with me so much<br \/>\nbecause I stole so at storage of<\/p>\n<p>I remember this<br \/>\nclearly of friends of the family<\/p>\n<p>used to drink ghibli&#8217;s vodka<\/p>\n<p>and it would always be on<br \/>\nice and it looked like water<\/p>\n<p>at Tully.<\/p>\n<p>I remember I took a sip of that stuff<\/p>\n<p>and thought I was like, Oh my God, What?<\/p>\n<p>What are you drinking it?<\/p>\n<p>And so I think for the first<br \/>\nlike six months<\/p>\n<p>or so after that initial drink,<br \/>\nI never drink again.<\/p>\n<p>And then later that same year<br \/>\nI&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;m still about 12 years old.<\/p>\n<p>One of my cousins<br \/>\nwho was visiting for the summer,<\/p>\n<p>he we stole some vodka<\/p>\n<p>and put orange juice<br \/>\nand we had this drink called orange flip.<\/p>\n<p>So he said,<br \/>\nWe&#8217;re going to make some orange flip.<\/p>\n<p>And while it wasn&#8217;t,<br \/>\nit still wasn&#8217;t palatable.<\/p>\n<p>You know, you could still<br \/>\nwith the orange juice, I tolerated it.<\/p>\n<p>And I think that&#8217;s<br \/>\nwhen I started drinking.<\/p>\n<p>And so I have this the I&#8217;m 71,<\/p>\n<p>I got a 60 year drinking history.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, I never<br \/>\nI never was a person who drank<\/p>\n<p>to just to the place<br \/>\nwhere I was in a stupor<\/p>\n<p>a couple of times.<\/p>\n<p>I drank too much and just felt sick.<\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;d never,<br \/>\nyou know, drink myself to sleep.<\/p>\n<p>It woke up the next day, but I would drink<\/p>\n<p>so consistently and so regularly<\/p>\n<p>I could feel myself running,<br \/>\nyou know, being run down and get up.<\/p>\n<p>The next thing you know, you drink,<br \/>\nyou&#8217;re drinking every day of the week.<\/p>\n<p>You get up the next morning,<br \/>\nit&#8217;s like, Oh, man, you&#8217;re dragging.<\/p>\n<p>And then those times<br \/>\nwhen I had these periods<\/p>\n<p>of respite from it,<\/p>\n<p>you know, I felt so much better,<\/p>\n<p>you know, because it is it&#8217;s poison.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like attractively packaged poison.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what it was.<br \/>\nI mean, it&#8217;s what it is.<\/p>\n<p>And now that I&#8217;m free from it<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s been<\/p>\n<p>two years now, it&#8217;s like it&#8217;s so clear.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like, wow, man, how did you.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s amazing<br \/>\nhow we can be so convinced that<\/p>\n<p>this thing is an integral part<br \/>\nof our enjoyment of life and stuff.<\/p>\n<p>And and<br \/>\nand see it from the other perspective.<\/p>\n<p>Now, like,<br \/>\nhow could you have been so, so gullible?<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. Yeah. These societal norms<\/p>\n<p>will have<br \/>\nyou feeling like you&#8217;re an outcast<\/p>\n<p>if you don&#8217;t imbibe<\/p>\n<p>when in truth it&#8217;s the other way around.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nyou&#8217;re you&#8217;re actually poisoning yourself.<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re you&#8217;re<\/p>\n<p>contaminating your liver.<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re I mean, when I look back on it,<br \/>\nit&#8217;s easy now, this is the easy way,<\/p>\n<p>but it&#8217;s easy now to see, you know,<\/p>\n<p>how just how foolish it was and<br \/>\nand how I get and how<\/p>\n<p>90 it seems like<br \/>\nI know they say 80% or 90%.<\/p>\n<p>It seemed like 99.9% of human beings,<\/p>\n<p>at least in these United States,<br \/>\nare caught up in it.<\/p>\n<p>They&#8217;re just well, now<br \/>\nit&#8217;s starting to stall.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s sort of changing a little bit<br \/>\nbecause with cigarettes<\/p>\n<p>being,<\/p>\n<p>you know, ostracised the way they had been<\/p>\n<p>and people<br \/>\nnot smoking the way they used to,<\/p>\n<p>thing<br \/>\nis changing a little bit with alcohol.<\/p>\n<p>You see a few places<br \/>\nthat are alcohol free,<\/p>\n<p>you know, no drinking<br \/>\nand that kind of thing.<\/p>\n<p>And so and that&#8217;s good.<\/p>\n<p>But for the most part, well,<\/p>\n<p>excuse me, what I&#8217;ve been coming at<br \/>\nwhile I was coming up,<\/p>\n<p>the opposite was true.<\/p>\n<p>If you didn&#8217;t drink, they looked at you<\/p>\n<p>like, Well, can we trust this guy?<\/p>\n<p>You mean then doesn&#8217;t drink?<\/p>\n<p>You know what&#8217;s wrong with it?<\/p>\n<p>And then and you know, to that point,<br \/>\nI remember a few of my friends<\/p>\n<p>who never smoked or drink, and we would<br \/>\nlook at them as if they were nerds.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s wrong with you?<\/p>\n<p>And, you know, it&#8217;s<br \/>\nso the glory and the shame are misplaced.<\/p>\n<p>You saying before about talk about the<\/p>\n<p>the addictive personality theory<br \/>\nand kind of laying the blame<\/p>\n<p>at the door of the, the individual<br \/>\nwho&#8217;s imbibing, you know, the,<\/p>\n<p>the alcohol or the drug<br \/>\nrather than blaming<\/p>\n<p>the substance itself and society<br \/>\nthat rams it down all through<\/p>\n<p>at such a young age as well.<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>very empowering, isn&#8217;t it, to recognize<br \/>\nthat actually the fault doesn&#8217;t lie.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no inherent weakness<br \/>\nin in ourselves.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just the circumstances of the society<br \/>\nthat we&#8217;re kind of born into.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s also hard<br \/>\nbecause we are bombarded with I mean,<\/p>\n<p>you can&#8217;t, you can&#8217;t turn on the telly,<\/p>\n<p>turn it all in here<br \/>\nwithout being bombarded with all these<\/p>\n<p>commercials, these advertisements<br \/>\nasking you or telling you<\/p>\n<p>that you&#8217;re just not cool<br \/>\nif you don&#8217;t drink,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nor any of that like 99 different brands of<\/p>\n<p>food or brandy of cognacs, 99 and wine.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, my God,<br \/>\nIf you&#8217;re not drinking lot, you know,<\/p>\n<p>just reading this book<\/p>\n<p>one time I was actually taking a tally and<br \/>\nI just got tired because it&#8217;s too much.<\/p>\n<p>Too much.<\/p>\n<p>I was I was looking at how many times<\/p>\n<p>a commercial<\/p>\n<p>come on, that has or TV show or movie<\/p>\n<p>that has somebody<br \/>\nwith a drink of alcohol in their hands<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s product placement.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s called product placement<br \/>\nand it&#8217;s normal.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it becomes normal in your head<br \/>\nand therefore you are<\/p>\n<p>you become a victim to it because this<\/p>\n<p>the these you just bombarded<\/p>\n<p>with all these advertisements to say<br \/>\nthis is what you should be doing.<\/p>\n<p>You know, you&#8217;re you, you,<br \/>\nyou could be golden<\/p>\n<p>if you drink this right now<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;re you know, you&#8217;re just like copper<\/p>\n<p>or you&#8217;re not even silver,<br \/>\nbut you could be gold.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it&#8217;s just so it&#8217;s so,<br \/>\nso blatant and in-your-face<\/p>\n<p>and so regular that you are<br \/>\nit just you don&#8217;t even think about it.<\/p>\n<p>But now but once something like,<br \/>\nyou know, the easy way<\/p>\n<p>because, you know, you,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nI started with easy way but I also<\/p>\n<p>got an<\/p>\n<p>easy way to quit drinking,<br \/>\nquit eating sugar.<\/p>\n<p>The easy, easy, easy way to lose weight.<\/p>\n<p>I lost about 15.<\/p>\n<p>Pounds.<\/p>\n<p>From after after the alcohol.<\/p>\n<p>And then you start thinking about the<br \/>\nall the sugar that&#8217;s in the alcohol<\/p>\n<p>and then all that sugar, this<br \/>\nand all this other stuff.<\/p>\n<p>And then you just start to do better.<\/p>\n<p>So I look back at the book<br \/>\nand I read everything on Kindle, right?<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;m looking back at the book<br \/>\nand I&#8217;m like,<\/p>\n<p>Did he just hypnotise me through the book?<\/p>\n<p>But the words because the words, the<\/p>\n<p>the references and the way is laid<\/p>\n<p>out, the way the book is laid out<\/p>\n<p>with you, with you,<br \/>\nwhen you get to the end, you realise,<\/p>\n<p>Oh my God,<br \/>\nhe just unravelled the whole thing<\/p>\n<p>and I really don&#8217;t need that.<\/p>\n<p>When you&#8217;ve quit yourself,<br \/>\nwhen you&#8217;ve kind of seen the light,<\/p>\n<p>so to speak, and, and gone<br \/>\nfrom being entrenched in this,<\/p>\n<p>this view that you need<br \/>\ndrinking or cigarettes or drugs<\/p>\n<p>to function properly and to shine,<br \/>\nyou know, in certain situations,<\/p>\n<p>and then to see that you don&#8217;t need it,<br \/>\nyou really<\/p>\n<p>you want to help other people<br \/>\nwho are still in the under<\/p>\n<p>the illusion that they need it,<br \/>\nbecause you see them struggling<\/p>\n<p>and you see them<\/p>\n<p>kind of doing the, you know, three months<br \/>\non, three months off or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>And you just your heart goes out to them.<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>And and yeah, you know, we,<br \/>\nyou know, believing<\/p>\n<p>that I had had an addictive personality<\/p>\n<p>and seeing such an addicted society,<br \/>\nit really makes you want to<\/p>\n<p>you do you want to help?<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like, wait a minute, wait a minute.<\/p>\n<p>You don&#8217;t have to be going through this<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s so much better<\/p>\n<p>on the other side.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just so much better<br \/>\nwhen you&#8217;re clean and sober.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just so it&#8217;s just better.<\/p>\n<p>And but you don&#8217;t know that<\/p>\n<p>if you believe if you think<\/p>\n<p>that is something,<br \/>\ndo something about your chemical makeup,<\/p>\n<p>something about you<br \/>\npersonally in your chemical makeup<\/p>\n<p>that makes you have to use these<br \/>\nchemicals, That&#8217;s that&#8217;s the bullshit.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s the lie that you knew. You<\/p>\n<p>you live with it.<\/p>\n<p>You like, Oh, man.<\/p>\n<p>So you wrestle.<\/p>\n<p>You know, listen,<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s been times in this, you know,<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know how many people well,<br \/>\nprobably a lot of people go through this,<\/p>\n<p>but I would be driving down the street<\/p>\n<p>and saying<br \/>\nto myself, I&#8217;m not going to drink today.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not going to drink today.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not going to drink today<br \/>\nand pull right into the liquor store<\/p>\n<p>and go in and buy two bottles of wine.<\/p>\n<p>After<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve said to myself just minutes ago,<\/p>\n<p>seconds ago, I&#8217;m not going to do this.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like the automobile steering itself.<\/p>\n<p>And that that is that is<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s debilitating because<\/p>\n<p>it lowers your self esteem.<\/p>\n<p>It makes you feel bad about yourself.<\/p>\n<p>It makes you feel like<br \/>\nsomething else is in control of you.<\/p>\n<p>So every chance I every chance.<\/p>\n<p>Well, the thing with this<br \/>\nwith the easy way though, is that<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t it it is done in such a fashion<br \/>\nthat you don&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>really want to<\/p>\n<p>ballyhoo like, Oh, I don&#8217;t drink anymore.<\/p>\n<p>You should quit.<\/p>\n<p>Because I think the education that you get<\/p>\n<p>through this methodology<\/p>\n<p>makes you compassionate enough to realise<\/p>\n<p>you can&#8217;t throw that in people&#8217;s face<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>that monster that hasn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not them, it&#8217;s that monster.<\/p>\n<p>And so<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m just glad it came my way.<\/p>\n<p>I think one of the questions you asked<br \/>\nwas, How did I find out about the easy way<\/p>\n<p>I was searching, to be honest,<br \/>\nI was looking for<\/p>\n<p>I over the years,<br \/>\nI went to a couple of hypnotists<\/p>\n<p>about the alcohol and it wasn&#8217;t<br \/>\nthe same as with the cigarettes.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know, after six or seven months or<\/p>\n<p>so not drinking, I&#8217;d end up in a<\/p>\n<p>in a set of circumstances<br \/>\nwhere everybody was drinking.<\/p>\n<p>I remember<br \/>\none time I slipped off the wagon<\/p>\n<p>at a wedding<\/p>\n<p>I had excuse me.<\/p>\n<p>So I end up with a one flute,<br \/>\none one flute champagne.<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>And the next thing you know, I drink<br \/>\nhalf a bottle.<\/p>\n<p>Now, at night,<br \/>\nmy little man, you&#8217;re calling.<\/p>\n<p>Listen, I didn&#8217;t drink anything<br \/>\nfor, like, six, seven months<\/p>\n<p>In that one<\/p>\n<p>situation, I was back on it. So.<\/p>\n<p>So that the hypnosis for that<\/p>\n<p>for that never really took all the way.<\/p>\n<p>And so<\/p>\n<p>over the over the years<br \/>\nand especially in the last like the last<\/p>\n<p>before I actually quit with the easy way,<\/p>\n<p>I went online and<\/p>\n<p>if you go to YouTube,<br \/>\nthey have several people<\/p>\n<p>who have programs that say,<\/p>\n<p>you know, quit, quit with hypnosis.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve set up<br \/>\nin this place with some headphones on.<\/p>\n<p>Listen to that.<\/p>\n<p>Listen to those sessions.<\/p>\n<p>But they never really worked.<\/p>\n<p>Nothing worked until I discover<\/p>\n<p>it and cause the easy way.<\/p>\n<p>And it was like, Oh my God,<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been wrestling with this thing<br \/>\nand it really is easy.<\/p>\n<p>It was like, I just don&#8217;t drink anymore.<\/p>\n<p>I just don&#8217;t drink anymore.<\/p>\n<p>And, and add to it<\/p>\n<p>is that, you know, I&#8217;ve told my wife<\/p>\n<p>like several times<br \/>\nthey&#8217;ve been through quit.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m done. It&#8217;s over. I drink.<\/p>\n<p>This is now.<\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<p>When I read Allen\u2019s book,<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t it wasn&#8217;t I didn&#8217;t go to her<br \/>\nand say, Honey, I&#8217;m done.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t do that.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t even feel the need to do that.<\/p>\n<p>I just And she said,<br \/>\nI think maybe six months into<\/p>\n<p>after the first year,<br \/>\nbecause this is the second year,<\/p>\n<p>she said, You really quit this timer.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, it was easy to start.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes people worry<br \/>\nwhen they quit drinking that they&#8217;re going<\/p>\n<p>to suffer with horrible withdrawal<br \/>\nfrom the drug or cravings.<\/p>\n<p>TIE What was your experience?<\/p>\n<p>You know, I didn&#8217;t after okay,<\/p>\n<p>maybe halfway into the book,<\/p>\n<p>I was still getting great.<\/p>\n<p>But I think the book<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know<br \/>\nif this is the right way to say it,<\/p>\n<p>but it saved me so much that I wouldn&#8217;t<br \/>\nallow this this thing that just in<\/p>\n<p>this monster, this big lie,<\/p>\n<p>this attractively packaged poison<\/p>\n<p>to manipulate and control my life<br \/>\nthe way it did.<\/p>\n<p>I think I just<\/p>\n<p>know a no withdrawals, none of that.<\/p>\n<p>I mean. Well, he talks about that.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it could be out.<\/p>\n<p>No, no, no.<\/p>\n<p>Go back.<\/p>\n<p>Historically,<br \/>\nI know what it feels like to have<\/p>\n<p>to have withdrawal symptoms because<\/p>\n<p>like I said, I did heroin for 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>And in those 15 years, I want to say<br \/>\nat least ten times, there were situations<\/p>\n<p>where I couldn&#8217;t get heroin<\/p>\n<p>for whatever reason, I couldn&#8217;t get it.<\/p>\n<p>And those two or three days<\/p>\n<p>that I did not get it, it was horrible.<\/p>\n<p>But reading Allen Carr&#8217;s<br \/>\neasy way,<\/p>\n<p>I fully understand better<br \/>\nnow that even then<\/p>\n<p>that was 99.9% psychological,<\/p>\n<p>because even though my body did crave that<\/p>\n<p>after two or three days of not having it,<br \/>\nno, the symptoms weren&#8217;t even there.<\/p>\n<p>It was no symptoms.<\/p>\n<p>And so<\/p>\n<p>to your question<\/p>\n<p>this time.<\/p>\n<p>No, I didn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>No symptoms of withdrawal.<\/p>\n<p>No. No craving, no wishing.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I&#8217;ll be honest, there are times<\/p>\n<p>when I say to myself, even now I was like,<\/p>\n<p>Can you believe you just had a thought<br \/>\nabout drinking some alcohol?<\/p>\n<p>Because those thoughts<br \/>\ngo, I guess because I did it so much,<\/p>\n<p>those thoughts just pop up.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like we went<\/p>\n<p>we went to a retirement party<\/p>\n<p>and, you know, was a retirement party.<\/p>\n<p>Remember, I retired.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t I had no craving,<\/p>\n<p>no, no, no, no.<\/p>\n<p>I had no compulsions to drink.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just<br \/>\nI think the education that you get through<\/p>\n<p>Allen Carr&#8217;s easy way is so<\/p>\n<p>subtle one,<\/p>\n<p>because it sneaks up on you<br \/>\nwith what you just learned.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s it and it&#8217;s almost like,<br \/>\nyou know, I knew that.<\/p>\n<p>I knew that.<\/p>\n<p>But the way it&#8217;s articulated<\/p>\n<p>just brings it home.<\/p>\n<p>And so<\/p>\n<p>I have it.<\/p>\n<p>No, I haven&#8217;t craved<\/p>\n<p>or had any real compulsions.<\/p>\n<p>Every now and again<br \/>\nI have a thought about,<\/p>\n<p>you know, I&#8217;m watching television.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m a sports guy.<\/p>\n<p>You know, I watch American football.<\/p>\n<p>I watch the real football, too.<\/p>\n<p>And then I love I love soccer<\/p>\n<p>and which every if you&#8217;re watching any<br \/>\nyou know,<\/p>\n<p>I watch basketball, baseball,<br \/>\nif you&#8217;re watching any of this stuff,<\/p>\n<p>every it every break,<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s a investissement about alcohol.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>And, you know, I say to myself, well,<br \/>\nhow could I if, if, if, if the athletes<\/p>\n<p>drink as much as they advertised,<br \/>\nthey couldn&#8217;t even play.<\/p>\n<p>And there&#8217;s so much brainwashing.<\/p>\n<p>But actually the Allen Carr program<br \/>\nis very skillful at removing<\/p>\n<p>all of those impressions and kind of<br \/>\nclearing your mind of this idea.<\/p>\n<p>The drug is, is providing you<br \/>\nwith any benefits.<\/p>\n<p>All this clever.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s like when he<br \/>\nwhen he, when he tells from the start<\/p>\n<p>you have to read it<br \/>\nall the way through and keep an open mind<\/p>\n<p>all the way through.<\/p>\n<p>As an organiser,<br \/>\nI&#8217;m like, okay, all right, I&#8217;ll do that.<\/p>\n<p>And if you keep your mind open,<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s like all these revelations, Oh man.<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s a series.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like, like, like, like the ocean,<\/p>\n<p>like one wave gets involved<br \/>\nwith another wave<\/p>\n<p>that gets involved in the wave<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s behind it.<\/p>\n<p>And the next thing you know, you&#8217;re<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;ve arrived at that and it&#8217;s like<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s just it&#8217;s it&#8217;s great.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m trying to think of a metaphor.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost like<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;re lulled into your sobriety.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s yeah, that&#8217;s not the right way,<\/p>\n<p>but it&#8217;s like.<\/p>\n<p>I do quite like that.<\/p>\n<p>The waves are quite gentle and yet<\/p>\n<p>the culmination of all of the waves<br \/>\nkind of leads you back to shore.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s like.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like easy.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s the easy way. It&#8217;s like.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like.<\/p>\n<p>Like you.<\/p>\n<p>You were caught up in this tumultuous<\/p>\n<p>whatever at sea,<\/p>\n<p>and then you grab hold of this easy way,<br \/>\nand the next thing you know, you just.<\/p>\n<p>And it was easy.<\/p>\n<p>And you got to the and it&#8217;s like,<br \/>\nOh my God, I was dying<\/p>\n<p>over here.<\/p>\n<p>And I got rescued by this little<br \/>\nthis little teeny little boat.<\/p>\n<p>Like, I just I don&#8217;t know. So.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, yeah, it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>so tore.<\/p>\n<p>You didn&#8217;t know<br \/>\nanyone who had quit with the program.<\/p>\n<p>You were just Googling<br \/>\nand you just came across the book.<\/p>\n<p>You didn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>No one, right?<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.<\/p>\n<p>As a matter of fact,<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve recommended it to<\/p>\n<p>my son,<\/p>\n<p>who&#8217;s 32,<\/p>\n<p>and he quitted the easy way I sent him.<\/p>\n<p>I just. I just.<\/p>\n<p>I just sent him the book<br \/>\nand I said because he had gotten a DUI.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know what you called him there.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. DUI. Yeah,<\/p>\n<p>yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n<p>He got in one of those young kid.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, and,<\/p>\n<p>you know,<br \/>\nI feel that sort of I felt, you know,<\/p>\n<p>almost like 100% responsible<\/p>\n<p>for his drinking because.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, you know, that<br \/>\nI got it from all you know, it&#8217;s like.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like,<br \/>\nalmost like you inherit this thing.<\/p>\n<p>And in your mind, you thinking again<\/p>\n<p>that you have this<\/p>\n<p>flawed gene<\/p>\n<p>and you&#8217;ve passed this flawed gene down.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>And so as soon as I I&#8217;ll as soon it<br \/>\nand when I didn&#8217;t immediately<\/p>\n<p>send it to him, but when he called me<br \/>\nand told me he had to do. Yes.<\/p>\n<p>He said to you,<br \/>\nyou really want to quit drinking.<\/p>\n<p>I said,<br \/>\nI got an easy way for you to do it.<\/p>\n<p>And he called me back after<\/p>\n<p>after about maybe ten days with the book,<\/p>\n<p>he said, Hey, thanks, man.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t even have a desire to drink.<\/p>\n<p>So I recommended it.<\/p>\n<p>But nobody.<\/p>\n<p>No, I never heard of it.<\/p>\n<p>I found it.<\/p>\n<p>I found the easy way online.<\/p>\n<p>I was tired<br \/>\nand I bet I went through several.<\/p>\n<p>Like I said, these quasi training programs<br \/>\nthat train in programs.<\/p>\n<p>But, you know, people have written books<br \/>\nand, you know, you do this.<\/p>\n<p>You did almost like 12 steps.<\/p>\n<p>And then, you know, in then they have this<\/p>\n<p>hypnotic set.<\/p>\n<p>You know, they&#8217;re using hypnosis.<\/p>\n<p>And I&#8217;m like,<br \/>\nbut it never really resonates.<\/p>\n<p>It never it never really took<\/p>\n<p>if necessary.<\/p>\n<p>It never stuck with me.<\/p>\n<p>And it has quite far<\/p>\n<p>reaching consequences<br \/>\nbecause like, when you when you start<\/p>\n<p>treating your body properly<br \/>\nand treating yourself properly,<\/p>\n<p>then you say, why actually, what about,<br \/>\nyou know, not everyone does this,<\/p>\n<p>but sometimes people start thinking,<br \/>\noh, you know,<\/p>\n<p>well, if I can knock drinking on the head,<br \/>\nmaybe I could,<\/p>\n<p>you know, address my eating or whatever<br \/>\nthings that kind of bothering them.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s a great point,<br \/>\nbecause I tended to blame every<\/p>\n<p>every problem that I<\/p>\n<p>had, you know, in my drinking.<\/p>\n<p>And, and because that was easy<\/p>\n<p>to do, you know, it&#8217;s like<\/p>\n<p>if I just quitted drinking, I wouldn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>If I could just quit drinking, I would<br \/>\nIf I could just quit drinking, I wouldn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>So all of these, you know, if I would have<br \/>\ncoulda should<\/p>\n<p>all on that monster, that thing is<\/p>\n<p>very it&#8217;s<br \/>\npeople don&#8217;t most people don&#8217;t understand<\/p>\n<p>just how pervasive it is in this society<br \/>\nanyway.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it just takes over everything.<\/p>\n<p>People,<br \/>\npeople live their lives around alcohol.<\/p>\n<p>They live their lives around<\/p>\n<p>that substance.<\/p>\n<p>And they don&#8217;t<br \/>\nthey don&#8217;t believe that they&#8217;re abusing it<\/p>\n<p>because they have been tricked<br \/>\nand trained into believing<\/p>\n<p>that they&#8217;re not, when in fact,<br \/>\nevery time you throw<\/p>\n<p>some of that poison in your body,<br \/>\nyou throwing your chemical makeup off,<\/p>\n<p>you growing,<\/p>\n<p>you&#8217;re negatively affecting your kidneys<\/p>\n<p>and everything else,<br \/>\nevery every everywhere week.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it&#8217;s it&#8217;s poison.<\/p>\n<p>You talked about<br \/>\nwhen I can&#8217;t remember how you said it,<\/p>\n<p>but when he when he explained, you know,<\/p>\n<p>what wine actually is<\/p>\n<p>and about how it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>fermented.<\/p>\n<p>So unfamiliar.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Grapes.<\/p>\n<p>Unfair or unfair on an minute vegetable<\/p>\n<p>waste matter.<\/p>\n<p>And think about it.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like, for real.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s really what it is.<\/p>\n<p>Because that&#8217;s the only way<br \/>\nit gets to be alcohol, is it has to<\/p>\n<p>it has to turn on itself.<\/p>\n<p>So this once good fruit<\/p>\n<p>has now turned rotten<\/p>\n<p>and you&#8217;re drinking the rottenness.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, my God.<\/p>\n<p>So that was<br \/>\nthat was like, okay, that&#8217;s the see again.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the way why it becomes<br \/>\nit is the easy way because it&#8217;s like<\/p>\n<p>they need to smack me in the face<\/p>\n<p>with the fact that I&#8217;ve been drinking,<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve been drinking<\/p>\n<p>rotten potatoes and rotten like my, my,<br \/>\nmy had a cousin, I had an older cousin.<\/p>\n<p>My, my, my, my mother&#8217;s brother&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>age who who he used to make.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, he used to make wine from plums.<\/p>\n<p>People, peaches, apples.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s what you go to his place.<\/p>\n<p>You could smell. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>When it ferments, when it turns, it&#8217;s<br \/>\nlike the most rotten, stinking is really.<\/p>\n<p>And but they would wait on him<\/p>\n<p>for the weekend<br \/>\ncause he comes with those jugs.<\/p>\n<p>Is a popular. Man. Yeah, well.<\/p>\n<p>Well. It&#8217;s funny. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>When you put it<br \/>\nin those terms in the very, you know,<\/p>\n<p>basic sense is just gone<br \/>\nall fruit and vegetables.<\/p>\n<p>I remember I was in Lexington,<\/p>\n<p>Kentucky, in the institution<br \/>\nthat I was telling you about,<\/p>\n<p>and some guys had made<\/p>\n<p>it put up some prominent fruit<br \/>\nto make wine.<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it&#8217;s here in the joint.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what they do in<\/p>\n<p>one of the<\/p>\n<p>guys, the guy who made<br \/>\nthis particular batch had got shipped off<\/p>\n<p>and the batch went over like this.<\/p>\n<p>It got off.<\/p>\n<p>It went over and exploded up<br \/>\nin the ceiling of the place<\/p>\n<p>where he had it hidden<br \/>\nand it stank the whole place up.<\/p>\n<p>And they you should have seen that.<\/p>\n<p>They were they were running around trying<br \/>\nto figure out where it&#8217;s coming from.<\/p>\n<p>And it was<\/p>\n<p>leaking down through the ceiling<br \/>\nbecause he had put it up in the ceiling.<\/p>\n<p>I forgot all about that.<\/p>\n<p>But now that you now that we&#8217;re talking<br \/>\nabout it, it&#8217;s like that&#8217;s again, proof<\/p>\n<p>that that&#8217;s all it is.<\/p>\n<p>And we I used to think of myself<br \/>\nas being quite<\/p>\n<p>the sophisticated lady drinking.<\/p>\n<p>This is going off great.<\/p>\n<p>So yeah, how we can turn that<br \/>\ninto this luxurious product.<\/p>\n<p>Expensive delight is a bit kind of crazy.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, well, you think about, like.<\/p>\n<p>Like Courvoisier.<\/p>\n<p>Courvoisier.<\/p>\n<p>You spend $50 a bottle<br \/>\nfor it, and it&#8217;s just grapes.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just grapes<\/p>\n<p>who have been ferment it<\/p>\n<p>for this a period of time<br \/>\nin this particular period of time,<\/p>\n<p>makes it worth $50,<\/p>\n<p>would have been a shorter period of time.<\/p>\n<p>It wouldn&#8217;t cost you as much.<\/p>\n<p>But because we let it rot<br \/>\nfor this amount of time<\/p>\n<p>and we let it rotten in this particular<br \/>\nbarrel, see,<\/p>\n<p>now you have to pay a little bit more<\/p>\n<p>your money.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, my God.<\/p>\n<p>We feel for it.<\/p>\n<p>You know what? You know, not just us.<\/p>\n<p>You know, generation after generation is<br \/>\nhas kind of been duped in that way. And,<\/p>\n<p>you know, I think you&#8217;re you&#8217;re right<br \/>\nthat this maybe<\/p>\n<p>the tide is turning a bit<br \/>\nbecause when I quit drinking, it was<\/p>\n<p>I almost didn&#8217;t want to tell anyone.<\/p>\n<p>I quit because they would judge me.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps, you know,<\/p>\n<p>what are you, an alcoholic?<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s your you know, why don&#8217;t you drink?<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s much more mainstream now.<\/p>\n<p>The idea of, if not quitting completely,<br \/>\nat least giving yourself a break from it.<\/p>\n<p>So yeah,<br \/>\nat least the realisation that is poison.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m so pleased<br \/>\nthat you&#8217;ve come across the easy way.<\/p>\n<p>And I&#8217;m so pleased<br \/>\nthat you gave us the time today.<\/p>\n<p>Tie two to talk about it<br \/>\nbecause it&#8217;s, you know, it&#8217;s important<\/p>\n<p>getting the message out there.<br \/>\nI appreciate you. Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for being there.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for for for being there because<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s certainly it turned my life around.<\/p>\n<p>It certainly has been a game changer.<\/p>\n<p>The game changer because I was<\/p>\n<p>you know, I was<\/p>\n<p>I was down so low<\/p>\n<p>I could walk up underneath of an<br \/>\nearthworm with a top paddle<\/p>\n<p>and then easy wake.<\/p>\n<p>And I got up from under that thing. So.<\/p>\n<p>So populous.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you so much, Ty. Yes, ma&#8217;am.<\/p>\n<p>God bless you.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you so much.<\/p>\n<p>To Ty and to John DC and of course, to you for listening.<\/p>\n<p>Until next time.<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n\t<script type=\"application\/ld+json\">{\"@context\":\"https:\\\/\\\/schema.org\",\"@type\":\"PodcastEpisode\",\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/www.allencarr.com\\\/en-us\\\/podcasts\\\/podcast-4\\\/\",\"name\":\"Podcast 4\",\"description\":\"Featuring Ty Gray El - Internationally Renown Poet and Author. Please click the video below to watch the podcast\",\"transcript\":\"Hi, and thanks for joining us on Allen Carr&#8217;s Easyway podcast.\\nI&#8217;m Colleen Dwyer.\\nI&#8217;m a senior Allen Carr\\u2019s Easyway facilitator.\\nI&#8217;m the presenter of our series of online video programs and your podcast host.\\nIt&#8217;s great to have you back and I&#8217;m looking forward to sharing some inspiring insights into the revolutionary method developed by Allen Carr.\\nWe offer an approach that helps people overcome their addictions without the need for willpower\\nor substitutes.\\nWe begin with our addiction Central segment and regular contributor John Dicey the global CEO of Allen Carr\\u2019s Easyway, who is also the co-author of Allen Carr\\nBooks and a senior Allen Carrs, facilitator who has helped literally millions of addicts to freedom over the last 25 years.\\nJohn and I are hearing from listeners who&#8217;ve contacted us with questions,including Why do we use the term quitting?\\nWhen Allen Carr\\u2019s against using this phrase and does the book work the second time around?\\nIf you&#8217;d like your questions answered, drop us a line on pod@allencarr.com with whatever you&#8217;d like to say\\nor any questions that you have.\\nAnd we&#8217;re also joined today by Tigre El, who is an internationally renowned storyteller and author, activist, poet, playwright and public speaker.\\nIt was so interesting to hear Ty talking about his history with smoking and heroin addiction and how he quit alcohol with Allen Carr&#8217;s\\nbook.\\nHe&#8217;s got a great voice and he&#8217;s a fascinating character and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re going to enjoy the conversation.\\nIf you have any questions or comments about any addictions or about the podcast.\\nPlease get in touch.\\nAnd even if we don&#8217;t actually feature your question and a future episode of the podcast, we will personally reply to every single question we receive, providing you with detailed advice and guidance.\\nSo don&#8217;t forget, get in touch on pod@allencarr.com and do also check out www.allencarr.com and there you&#8217;ll see the host of Addictions and Issues, Allen Carr\\u2019s Easyway has now been applied to.\\nSo let&#8217;s get started here I am talking with John Dicey\\nHello, John. Good to see you again.\\nSo we have three questions from three listeners today and I&#8217;ll start off with Jasper, who is in London in the UK.\\nJasper says, Why do we use the word quit in the book titles now when historically Allen Carr\\nwas always against using it, i.e. you&#8217;re not quitting or giving in to anything.\\nWhat do you say to that John?\\nWell, this is great, isn&#8217;t it?\\nBecause we have we should have full disclosure here.\\nWe&#8217;ve kind of emailed about this this morning and we&#8217;ve come up some really interesting stuff because this question, it comes up a lot on our social media.\\nAnd I, you know, I work with Allen, you work closely with Allen as well. I always got the impression somewhere along the line that the quit was one of those sort of words we want to avoid if we can really.\\nAnd I think that that does go back a long way.\\nI think possibly, you know, we&#8217;re getting old only to the last century, you know.\\nOh, my God, Yeah.\\nAllen was always quite rightly saying, we don&#8217;t talk about quitting.\\nWe talk about getting rid of it or Skyping or whatever.\\nI think the quitting thing might have got mixed up in that\\nand I think I&#8217;ve been\\ncould be one of these urban myths\\nbecause I&#8217;ve been asked about it\\nso frequently, so often\\non always say the same thing,\\nwhich is, yeah,\\nyou know,\\nAllen and I, we used to talk about, about\\nlanguage and\\nterminology, thinking\\nthis might have come up\\nwhen the book was first published\\nin the USA since we corresponded early\\non, racking my brain to think\\nwhat might have caused it.\\nAnd I think it might have been something\\nin the USA.\\nwhere nobody talks about stopping smoking\\nor quitting smoking.\\nIn the USA they talk about quitting.\\nThat&#8217;s what they talk about.\\nSo almost got lost in translation.\\nAnd some people are things like think,\\nyou know, quitting.\\nQuitting is a bad word.\\nWe don&#8217;t think about quitting.\\nWhereas I think\\nmost people have got a negative\\nview of quitting, have a, you know,\\na bad relationship.\\nYou quit, get a wife.\\nIf you&#8217;re a bad job, be quit,\\ngo somewhere else or whatever else.\\nAnd this is the interesting bit\\nis the way you were brilliant.\\nI sort of flagged this up with you\\nearlier,\\nthinking that, you know,\\nthe old people taught us, right,\\nthat some point in the past\\nand it must have been\\ndisparaging about quitting and quit\\nor definitely talk to them about it.\\nAnd this is going back in\\nsort of the early 2000s.\\nAnd it came up and we thought,\\nwell, we&#8217;ve got to\\nwe&#8217;ve got to start using it more\\nbecause it&#8217;s unavoidable and partly\\nbecause even back then, the search\\nengine optimisation of websites\\nrequire you to use the word,\\nyou know, the phrase quit smoking if you\\nif you use the word\\nstop smoking in certain countries.\\nI&#8217;ve got a clue what you&#8217;re talking about.\\nAnd even the sort of internal\\nwhat are they called algorithms on Amazon\\nor whatever the book with the word quit\\nand it will work\\nits way up quicker, higher, more quickly.\\nSo we had these conversations about it.\\nI don&#8217;t, I honestly don&#8217;t remember\\nAllen having a problem with it.\\nYeah, obviously there must have been\\nsomebody people were talking about it,\\nbut then we did some research today.\\nWell, I got my book out. Yep.\\nMy third edition book of Allen Carr&#8217;s\\nEasy work, and that was published in 1999.\\nAllen said, You know,\\nwe don&#8217;t talk about quitting.\\nWe talk about quitting, we talk about\\nstopping, we talk about escaping.\\nHis favourite one, he said, was escaping.\\nYeah, yeah.\\nSo I think\\nit&#8217;s one of these urban myths\\nabout quitting or being wrong speak,\\nwhich are going to be I&#8217;ve well, I&#8217;ve kind\\nof suffered that for years and years.\\nSo, you know, I&#8217;ve always got an answer\\nfor it, which is what we spoke about.\\nAnd we&#8217;ve used and quit more and more\\nbecause the US thing and\\nit was just a fact of life.\\nWe had to wonder whether there might be a\\nthere might be something\\nin one of the other books that, that where\\nAllen talks about it maybe prior to the US,\\nmaybe he got some feedback or something.\\nBut okay, that&#8217;s not a bad show.\\nAnybody out there who is under\\nthe impression that Allen said,\\nDon&#8217;t say you quit, let us know.\\nWell, you know, we&#8217;ll find the reference.\\nAnd we would love to know because we can&#8217;t\\nwe can&#8217;t find one.\\nYou haven&#8217;t got a first edition, a clean.\\nI definitely have.\\nI can dig out another copy.\\nI&#8217;ll give you\\nI&#8217;ll give you a first edition because I&#8217;m.\\nI&#8217;m imagining you&#8217;ve got this.\\nYou know, shelves of Allen Carr books,\\ndifferent editions.\\nAnd this is one small gap\\nwhere that focus should go.\\nSo actually on that, No,\\nI do like sometimes\\nwhen we&#8217;re putting up\\nthe like tick tock videos.\\nSo when people have done\\na lot of video of themselves\\ntalking about their experiences\\nquitting, quitting with us\\nand the tags that we put on\\nthere is amongst\\nother tags,\\nthere is the tag quitting smoking.\\nAnd we know he didn&#8217;t like talking about\\nand none of us\\nlike talking about quitting.\\nSo that&#8217;s a definite\\nyou know, that&#8217;s not an Allen Carr\\nkind of way of thinking about it,\\nbut we still have to use it\\nbecause, like you say,\\nbecause of the algorithms\\nand because that&#8217;s that&#8217;s the vernacular.\\nThat&#8217;s what people talk about\\nwhen they&#8217;re smokers\\nand we got to meet people\\nwhere they&#8217;re right.\\nYou know, if people are going to be\\nsearching on Google for quitting smoking,\\nwe can&#8217;t ignore that.\\nYou know, we can&#8217;t ignore that.\\nThat&#8217;s the language.\\nThat comes down to also that search\\nsearch engine optimisation, which is\\nincredibly painful, painful process\\nto go through with a website\\nthat I don&#8217;t really I don&#8217;t\\nclaim to understand it at all, but there&#8217;s\\nall kind of keywords you have to use\\non a certain number of page\\nin a certain number of ways or whatever.\\nAnd that&#8217;s also where, you know, having to\\nuse quitting is really important.\\nSo I mean, sometimes I look at a website\\nand I love it,\\nyou know, really love what we got there,\\nbut there are pages on that.\\nIt&#8217;s all about nicotine,\\nyou know, pages and pages, many,\\nnone of which I would ever want to write,\\nnone of which is relevant,\\nnot not to help anybody.\\nBut is there just for SEO purposes.\\nBut it does bother me because that&#8217;s not\\nthat&#8217;s really not\\nwhat we&#8217;re about,\\nbut it&#8217;s a sign of the times.\\nIf, you know, if you have big pharma,\\nother sort of\\nperhaps unscrupulous people trying to,\\nyou know,\\nget smokers or addicts\\nto access their services and they will\\nthey use all that, all the tools\\nin the are available to them.\\nThen we&#8217;ve we&#8217;ve got to\\nwe&#8217;ve got to do the same thing.\\nBut yeah, so that was really great\\nlearning experience for me as well.\\nNever made a proper quick,\\nwhich is quite nice\\nif you are slightly awkward about it\\nanymore.\\nAnd I was Edith, was Edith or somebody.\\nElse, you know,\\nthat one was from Jasper in London.\\nOh, Jasper.\\nOkay, Yeah, cool.\\nI think we&#8217;ve answered Jasper&#8217;s question.\\nI think. So.\\nThe next one is Edith,\\nand she&#8217;s from Winnipeg, Canada.\\nSo Edith says, I read the Allen Carr book\\nand listen to the DVD, quit\\nso easily for a week and for some reason\\nI was stupid and started smoking again.\\nAnd I heard if you do that,\\nthe book doesn&#8217;t work so well\\nthe second time around.\\nSo please tell me that is not true.\\nI still know how\\nhow freeing it was to quit.\\nI have two adult children with\\nserious illnesses and that is my stress.\\nI&#8217;m 63 and a retired ICU nurse.\\nI love the taste of cigarette,\\nbut I know I&#8217;m kidding myself.\\nAnd also the waste of money is ridiculous.\\nThanks for any feedback.\\nSo that&#8217;s that&#8217;s Edith in Canada.\\nWell, that&#8217;s great.\\nGet a feel for for Edith there as well.\\nSo it\\nsounds like she she was free\\nno problems with it.\\nAnd she&#8217;s saying\\nnow she loves the taste of it.\\nBut I&#8217;m guessing that when she was freed,\\nshe had no problems with it.\\nShe didn&#8217;t miss the taste of it.\\nSo that&#8217;s quite interesting.\\nI think one of the things that when you\\nwhen you fall back into the trap,\\nall the old brainwashing,\\nall the old illusions and myths come back.\\nI say shame with the most common\\none actually is when\\nsomebody quitted\\nsmoking for a year or something\\nafter seminar\\nand they they come back and they say,\\nOh, it didn&#8217;t work.\\nI&#8217;m really sorry\\nto hear about what happened.\\nI said, Well,\\nit was fine for you.\\nYou you work fine for me.\\nThen I went out, drank\\ntoo much and smoked and that was that.\\nOkay.\\nOne of the face of it that sounds\\nlike a reasonable\\nthing for them to say.\\nSo let&#8217;s push them a little harder.\\nSo hang on.\\nLet me think about it.\\nSo, did you live like a monk for a year?\\nNot go out drinking, Not, you know.\\nNo, no, no, no.\\nWas, you know, every Friday night,\\nevery Friday and Saturday night, you know,\\nso you\\na year later, it was a particularly\\nsort of big night out.\\nNo, not particularly,\\nno. I&#8217;ve been on stag nights.\\nI&#8217;ve been of what\\nthe Cuban-American studied always.\\nOh, bachelor.\\nActual bachelor news or whatever.\\nElse. Yeah. Yeah.\\nBig bowling\\ntournament&#8217;s never had a problem.\\nI said, Well,\\nit wasn&#8217;t the uncle, it was it.\\nThey sort of petty kind of drugs.\\nBut that&#8217;s\\nonce they get forced back into the trap,\\nall the old myths and illusions come in.\\nThe guy had gone,\\nyou know, a year without a problem.\\nNow, what happened?\\nWhat occurred after that?\\nYeah, it was he got overconfident.\\nYou know,\\nhe forgot one of the main instructions\\ndone through out of curiosity\\nor overconfidence.\\nHave a cigarette.\\nAs soon as you do that, you&#8217;re back in\\nis one thing,\\nas I call service facilitators.\\nWe have to deal with a lot.\\nIt&#8217;s just not being confrontational\\nabout it, but just really kind of it.\\nIt takes honesty\\non the part of the smoker, you know,\\nYou know, if they want to dig their heels\\nin a kind that no, no,\\nit was the alcohol\\nthat was appropriate, whatever.\\nIt&#8217;s very difficult.\\nBut if if you can just illustrate\\nwith their own\\nrecollections\\nhow they really didn&#8217;t have a problem\\nwith alcohol at that point, then,\\nyou know, the\\nthe cause of that can only be\\none of several things, you know,\\noverconfidence, flippancy or whatever.\\nSo you had freedom\\nand you threw it down the drain.\\nAnd great news is\\nwe can get you free again.\\nWe&#8217;re not going to make\\nthat same mistake again.\\nThis time.\\nIt&#8217;s really, really poor,\\nbecause I&#8217;ve thought back\\nto a sort of Edith\\nwho is wants to get to freedom again.\\nWas it with the book\\nshe was talking about or just.\\nYeah,\\nshe read the book and listened to the DVD.\\nI think just to listen to\\nit isn&#8217;t a sort of a testament.\\nWhat it says.\\nI read the\\nwhole book and listen to the DVD,\\nso maybe she&#8217;s got an old version. Oh.\\nYeah, I think so.\\nYeah, that might be one with this,\\nsome sort of audio\\nthat came with it or something like that.\\nYeah, well,\\nthis was for a first thing I&#8217;d say\\nto get the latest up\\nto date version of the book.\\nIf you can&#8217;t attend a seminar\\nor get the online, be a program,\\nThe most up to date\\nversion of the method in written form\\nis an easy way to quit smoking\\ntobacco rather than quit smoking\\nand really is\\nincludes\\nprobably 20 years worth of learning\\nand understanding from the life seminar.\\nSo it really is it\\nit talks more about things\\nthat were mentioned\\nin the original book. So\\nHabit habit is\\nquite often I think in the first version\\nis it&#8217;s\\nalmost mentioned in passing,\\nbut in the easy way to quit smoking.\\nWe talk much more about it in terms of,\\nokay, how does, how does a habit work?\\nWhat do we think is the habit\\nthe schools in the problem\\ntalk about,\\nyou know,\\nI guess a is for the 21st century.\\nWe talk about the association\\nbetween smoking and anxiety\\nand self-harm,\\nwhich we never be in the book\\nin terms of\\nuse with cannabis, that kind of thing.\\nJust a whole there&#8217;s\\nthere&#8217;s an awful lot of stuff in there\\nwhich wasn&#8217;t covered in the original,\\nwhich is probably more, more,\\nmore necessary than ever\\ntoday.\\nAnd, and, and expanding on it as well.\\nWe&#8217;re not taking the other other bits\\nand pieces forward.\\nThe association between\\nsmoking and White Guide is have handled\\nmuch more in much more detail\\nabout avoid going back to smoking again.\\nIt&#8217;s handled in much more detail.\\nSo that&#8217;s the first thing.\\nOr do it if it\\nif you can afford to get get the right\\nthe absolutely latest version of the book\\nor as I got to say,\\nget yourself booked into a life seminar\\nas a money back guarantee.\\nYou can&#8217;t you can&#8217;t lose really.\\nAnd I think I say our approaches\\nall before we\\nwe put together the podcast and I so\\nI sent Edith a memory\\nor a got a couple of pages of advice on\\nwhat to do.\\nShe just wants to, you know,\\nuse the book that she&#8217;s, she&#8217;s still got\\nthat should, that should,\\nyou know, hold in good stead.\\nShe&#8217;d rather if she&#8217;d rather do that.\\nAnd the thing for you to add to that, you\\nknow, cover everything all your business.\\nIf someone&#8217;s quit with a book\\nlike Edith says that she was\\nhappy to know it was so easy for a week.\\nSo she knows and she can remember\\nhow freeing it was to quit,\\nwell then she that can\\nsometimes make you panic a little bit more\\nbecause you think, Oh my God,\\nif I blown my one and only chance,\\nyou know, and absolutely not.\\nYou know, you just\\nyou&#8217;ve had a glimpse of what you&#8217;re after.\\nSo it&#8217;s just about like you say,\\nare there reading that book again\\nwith the guidance that you provided\\nor I can&#8217;t help myself of saying it,\\nbut better still, you know,\\ndo the do the seminar.\\nSometimes I wonder whether people think\\nit&#8217;s like, you know, like some\\nI don&#8217;t know.\\nIt&#8217;s not called a pyramid scheme, but like\\nthey get you in at a certain low level,\\nyou know, cheap way of doing it.\\nAnd then you have to pay more\\nto get to a different status\\nand a different and it&#8217;s almost like,\\nI don&#8217;t know, some people worry\\nperhaps that that&#8217;s what this is,\\nthat, you know, you get them in\\nwith a hook of the book\\nand then they&#8217;ve got to pay\\na bigger amount to get to the next level.\\nAnd the next level is not that.\\nIt&#8217;s just that this is the most\\npowerful way of getting it.\\nAnd same as you, John. I read the book.\\nI liked it.\\nYou know, I found it very insightful\\nand perceptive and I related to\\nwhat was being said,\\nbut I didn&#8217;t quit smoking.\\nI thank goodness there was a seminar\\nbecause I don&#8217;t know what I returned to\\nif not.\\nSo yeah, thank goodness\\nI went along to the seminar.\\nI was nervous. I was worried.\\nI thought, Oh, you know,\\nwhat are they going to say to me\\nthat&#8217;s different from the book?\\nI know what&#8217;s in the book.\\nSo you know, how how is this going to be\\nany different in the seminar?\\nAnd but of course it is\\nfor all the reasons that you&#8217;ve mentioned,\\nyou&#8217;re in a group with other\\npeople are in the same boat as you.\\nThe facilitator\\ncan actually answer your questions.\\nThey can pick up on any miscommunications,\\nmisunderstand endings.\\nThere are different ways\\nto demonstrate the trap the book can&#8217;t.\\nSo it&#8217;s, you know,\\nif it&#8217;s possible at all.\\nEdith I would 100% recommend\\ngoing to the seminar,\\nbut if not, you&#8217;ve got great advice\\nthere from John in your email to,\\nto reread the book.\\nAnd with, with that guidance.\\nI think you&#8217;re right about the sort of\\nsome people&#8217;s perception\\ncan be a little bit, a little bit skewed.\\nI think people are quite cynical about\\neverything, you know, not just about,\\nyou know, stopping smoking with Allen Carr,\\nbut there&#8217;s a lot of cynicism\\nout there\\nand I do make it my business\\nto kind of keep an eye\\non what sort of other quit smoking\\nmethods are doing in their marketing.\\nAnd virtually all of them hook people\\nin with an advert\\nfor something\\nthat&#8217;s either free or cheap and then up.\\nSo I think there&#8217;s\\nthe official phrase for that.\\nSo now if you really want to quit smoking,\\nit&#8217;s going to cost you this much\\nand add this on or whatever else.\\nAnd that&#8217;s just not us.\\nWe&#8217;ve\\nnever we&#8217;ve never, ever been like that.\\nWe just we are quite open about it\\nthat the greater the book\\nmakes it really affordable\\nfor everyone to use the method\\nand has been for normally successful.\\nAs I say, we don&#8217;t want people\\nto misunderstand what we&#8217;re saying.\\nThe book is brilliant.\\nYou know, the best selling,\\nmost effective quit smoking\\nbook of all time worldwide\\nand it&#8217;s something else.\\nBut, you know, don&#8217;t beat yourself up\\nif if it does work for you, that&#8217;s a\\nthat&#8217;s you know,\\nbecause you know, it&#8217;s like that, sir.\\nIt&#8217;s Allen Carr Lite,\\nyou know, that makes sense.\\nI know it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a great point.\\nI think Edith and other people\\nlistening said well I on\\nwhat do you say you want me to say\\nit won&#8217;t work the second time.\\nI think there is a part you know, in\\none of the books where Allen says that\\nI think all, all he&#8217;s trying to do\\nis have people cherish their freedom.\\nAnd that&#8217;s all I would say.\\nIt&#8217;s everybody.\\nYou know, if you&#8217;re listening to this\\nand you&#8217;re already free\\nfrom whatever drug it was\\nand you&#8217;re cheating in that out of interest,\\nyou know, never quit\\ncherishing your free to be Starbucks\\nbrilliant thing you&#8217;ve got.\\nAnd the only time\\npeople have issues\\nis is when they take it for granted,\\nthey may start\\njust being flippant about it.\\nIt&#8217;s just which is it seems crazy now.\\nPeople forget\\nwhat it was they escaped from.\\nAnd that&#8217;s the only time\\nreally where they get sucked in. So\\none hand. Yep. Don&#8217;t you worry, Edith.\\nWe&#8217;re going to get you sorted out again\\nnext.\\nThere&#8217;s no problem on the other.\\nOnce you&#8217;re free again, cherish it.\\nThat&#8217;s the most\\nyou know, You&#8217;ve really got to.\\nGot to guide it with your life.\\nAnd it&#8217;s not hard.\\nIt&#8217;s not.\\nYou&#8217;re not to by the effort into it.\\nYou just need you need to sort of,\\nyou know, I don&#8217;t think a day goes by\\nwhen I don&#8217;t feel so grateful.\\nI don&#8217;t smoke.\\nI mean,\\nit sounds a bit boring, doesn&#8217;t it?\\nBut it causes my mind,\\nI suppose, mainly because sort of work\\nand writing all the time.\\nBut I&#8217;d be dead now, I no doubt about it.\\nA long time ago I\\nhad a, I don&#8217;t know, quitted.\\nYou can&#8217;t, you can&#8217;t smoke.\\nI, you die\\nand you have not beat those odds at all.\\nSo every year I might pass this.\\nI&#8217;m just happier,\\nyou know, just it is a real bonus.\\nSo, yeah, be excited about being free\\nand cherish it.\\nThat&#8217;s the really important thing.\\nSince just a teaching central gig, since\\nwe want to hear your success story\\nand provide advice is\\none to you.\\nThis advice is free of charge.\\nWe&#8217;ll answer every question\\nwe receive with no exceptions.\\nAs far as AllenCarr. Com.\\nThank you so much, John, and thanks to\\neveryone who sent in their questions.\\nAnd now here I am talking with Ty, so just a little history.\\nI came, I came from a family where,\\nokay, I stole my first\\ncigarette when I was nine years old\\nand I smoked,\\nyou know, sporadically up until maybe 11.\\nAnd then I started to smoke regularly.\\nAs a matter of fact, at 12 years old,\\nI smoked around my whole family.\\nIt was okay.\\nSo everybody in my family\\nsmoked on my own.\\nAnd I lived with my mother and grandmother\\nand and all of them.\\nI mean, my uncles, my aunts, my\\ngrandmother, my mother, everybody smoked.\\nI mean, and, you know, so\\nI&#8217;m a baby boomer.\\nI was born back in 1952.\\nSo in 1960,\\nI mean, you were like an outlier\\nif you didn&#8217;t smoke.\\nYou know what I mean?\\nIt was cool to smoke.\\nI mean, in the end.\\nSo I smoked cigarettes\\nall the way until August\\nthe 19th, 1979.\\nAnd the reason why I know that date\\nis because\\nI went to a hypnotist on a dare\\nbecause I had been trying to quit smoking\\nand I couldn&#8217;t you know,\\nI just wasn&#8217;t able to do it on my own.\\nI didn&#8217;t have\\nI didn&#8217;t have I didn&#8217;t have the easy way.\\nIf I had known the easy way, I would\\nI wouldn&#8217;t have gone through all that.\\nBut anyway,\\nI go to this hypnotist on a dare.\\nI told the guy, I said,\\nI don&#8217;t think it worked.\\nHe said, Well,\\nbut you don&#8217;t smoke anymore, do you?\\nAnd I said, No, I don&#8217;t think I do.\\nAnd because when I,\\nwhen he when I went to the hypnotist,\\nit was about a 40 minute session\\nand when\\nit was over, it was like, Well,\\nwhen are you going to hypnotise?\\nYou know what I mean?\\nIn my brain, I was like, Nothing.\\nIt happened.\\nSo. So\\nI go out to the car\\nand I look up at the cigarettes\\nover the sun visor.\\nI take the cigarettes out\\nand throw them in the nearest bin.\\nNever smoked a cigarette since that day.\\nOh yeah.\\nThat&#8217;s interesting\\nbecause we use light relaxation as well\\nat the Allen Carr seminars\\nand it is like it&#8217;s a really useful tool\\nto use in conjunction\\nwith the Allen Carr method.\\nI enjoyed that success with that.\\nBut about the heroin thing,\\nthat&#8217;s different.\\nYeah. So\\nokay, so a little bit of back story,\\na little bit more back story.\\nSo I was born and raised\\nin the first all black\\npublic assisted housing project\\nin the United States of America.\\nThe pilot program for public assisted\\nhousing for black folk in\\nAmerica is a little place called\\nLangston Terrace in Washington, D.C.,\\nabout 40 blocks from the capital,\\nthe White House.\\nAnd they built these places\\nback in the early thirties,\\na part of President Roosevelt&#8217;s New Deal.\\nWell, I was born in 52,\\nand I remember the projects\\nas a child being home.\\nYou know, it&#8217;s just where I grew up.\\nAnd at 13 years old, 1965,\\nI remember these things by the years.\\nIn 1965, I noticed that heroin had\\njust taken over my entire neighbourhood\\nand it was just most of the people\\nwho I had looked up to\\nwho were role models to me\\nwere seen all over the place\\nwith all of the\\nall of the things that come\\nwith heroin addiction, like nodding\\nall of the behaviours.\\nI mean, you could see people\\nactually it was so bad\\nand the heroin was so prevalent,\\nColleen, that you could see\\npeople walk up to the lamp\\npost about to cross the street at the\\nat the crosswalk, and they start to nod\\nright there if just in one year\\nit flooded my neighbourhood\\nand I look back on it retrospectively.\\nNow I&#8217;ve actually written about this stuff\\nbecause it&#8217;s clear that it was,\\nyou know, it was designed, it just was,\\nyou know, it was there.\\nSo I got caught up in it.\\nI was introduced to heroin at 13 years old\\nand had it for the first year.\\nYou know, I just put it in my nose and\\nit was semi casual.\\nBut you asked\\nmaybe how does a 13 or 14 year old\\neven get close to heroin?\\nHow is that allowed? Well,\\ngrowing up\\nin these United States of America,\\nas a black man\\nin certain neighbourhoods,\\nyou almost it&#8217;s almost you&#8217;re you&#8217;re\\nyou&#8217;re extremely fortunate if you escape\\nbecause it&#8217;s like everywhere\\nit&#8217;s like what you do it&#8217;s,\\nit&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost like normal\\nor it was back then anyway, so it&#8217;s okay.\\nSo I got caught up in it.\\nAnd so for 15 years\\nI still have the marks that could roll\\nmy sleeves up and show you.\\nBut I still had the marks\\nfor 15 years of heroin addiction.\\nI sent me to jail.\\nI lost everything.\\nI had ten different times\\nthat.\\nBut I can say now, well, I laugh about it\\nbecause on September\\n25th, again,\\nI know these dates because they&#8217;re\\nwell, everybody\\neverybody who&#8217;s ever been through\\nany sort of real addiction,\\nespecially if you&#8217;ve gone through\\nany of those rooms like\\nin a or AA, you know, the\\nyou know, you clean day.\\nSo my clean date is September 25th, 1980.\\nAnd I know that for two reasons.\\nOne is that day\\nI got arrested, got locked up in the way,\\nand the other is my daughter&#8217;s birthday,\\nwho she was\\nsix years old then\\nis September 25th, the same day.\\nSo I actually got arrested\\non her birthday.\\nBut that&#8217;s the last day I did any heroin.\\nAnd I didn&#8217;t I didn&#8217;t use any.\\nWell, I went through I went through\\na whole bunch of training program.\\nI never did the 12 step program,\\nbut I got sent to a federal\\ncorrectional institution\\nhere.\\nIt&#8217;s it&#8217;s called Lexington, Kentucky.\\nAnd it&#8217;s still it&#8217;s still open today.\\nIt&#8217;s been open since the fifties,\\nwhere anybody convicted\\nof any kind of crime\\nfor rehabilitation\\npurposes can go to Lexington, Kentucky.\\nAnd so I went there and I started studying\\nself image, psychology,\\nrational behavior therapy.\\nI was in a therapeutic\\na therapeutic community.\\nAnd I learned,\\nyou know, so much about myself\\nthat I never had the desire\\nto do heroin again,\\nespecially after all the stuff\\nthat I did. So.\\nBut I wasn&#8217;t through with addiction\\nbecause one of the things that stands out\\nabout Allen cause easy way.\\nI think the thing that hit me\\nthe most was his chapter on\\nhaving an addictive personality,\\nbecause I thought until I read that\\nbook, that I had an addictive personality.\\nI thought\\nI thought three quarters of\\nmy family was the person that I thought\\nthat most of my friends\\nand family had addictive personalities.\\nAnd so his that\\nthat book changed my mind about that,\\nbecause while I got away from cigarettes\\nand I got away from heroin,\\nI never fully got away from alcohol.\\nI would still I would still revert back.\\nI would I would go through these\\nlong periods where\\nI was in remission.\\nIf that&#8217;s a good way to put it, I would\\nI would use in using willpower,\\njust not drink.\\nSo I&#8217;d go six months,\\neight months, a year and a half\\nand over the last, you know,\\nall my life, actually, since then,\\nI think I took my first drink\\nwhen I was about 12,\\nstole that from my family.\\nYou know, that was\\nI had it.\\nI had it.\\nIt is Your culture is so different\\nfrom ours.\\nYou might well,\\nyou you may be able understand this\\nbecause you may do\\nsome of the same things.\\nBut I come from a family where\\non Fridays and Saturday\\nnights, the weekends,\\neverybody played cards, everybody smoked,\\neverybody drank.\\nThey big fried chicken,\\nfried fish made food.\\nYou you, you gambled and you drink.\\nThat&#8217;s what we eat.\\nAnd so\\nso I think I took I think\\nI may have stolen my first sip of alcohol,\\nwhich this book resonates with me so much\\nbecause I stole so at storage of\\nI remember this\\nclearly of friends of the family\\nused to drink ghibli&#8217;s vodka\\nand it would always be on\\nice and it looked like water\\nat Tully.\\nI remember I took a sip of that stuff\\nand thought I was like, Oh my God, What?\\nWhat are you drinking it?\\nAnd so I think for the first\\nlike six months\\nor so after that initial drink,\\nI never drink again.\\nAnd then later that same year\\nI&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;m still about 12 years old.\\nOne of my cousins\\nwho was visiting for the summer,\\nhe we stole some vodka\\nand put orange juice\\nand we had this drink called orange flip.\\nSo he said,\\nWe&#8217;re going to make some orange flip.\\nAnd while it wasn&#8217;t,\\nit still wasn&#8217;t palatable.\\nYou know, you could still\\nwith the orange juice, I tolerated it.\\nAnd I think that&#8217;s\\nwhen I started drinking.\\nAnd so I have this the I&#8217;m 71,\\nI got a 60 year drinking history.\\nI mean, I never\\nI never was a person who drank\\nto just to the place\\nwhere I was in a stupor\\na couple of times.\\nI drank too much and just felt sick.\\nBut I&#8217;d never,\\nyou know, drink myself to sleep.\\nIt woke up the next day, but I would drink\\nso consistently and so regularly\\nI could feel myself running,\\nyou know, being run down and get up.\\nThe next thing you know, you drink,\\nyou&#8217;re drinking every day of the week.\\nYou get up the next morning,\\nit&#8217;s like, Oh, man, you&#8217;re dragging.\\nAnd then those times\\nwhen I had these periods\\nof respite from it,\\nyou know, I felt so much better,\\nyou know, because it is it&#8217;s poison.\\nIt&#8217;s like attractively packaged poison.\\nThat&#8217;s what it was.\\nI mean, it&#8217;s what it is.\\nAnd now that I&#8217;m free from it\\nbecause it&#8217;s been\\ntwo years now, it&#8217;s like it&#8217;s so clear.\\nIt&#8217;s like, wow, man, how did you.\\nIt&#8217;s amazing\\nhow we can be so convinced that\\nthis thing is an integral part\\nof our enjoyment of life and stuff.\\nAnd and\\nand see it from the other perspective.\\nNow, like,\\nhow could you have been so, so gullible?\\nAbsolutely. Yeah. These societal norms\\nwill have\\nyou feeling like you&#8217;re an outcast\\nif you don&#8217;t imbibe\\nwhen in truth it&#8217;s the other way around.\\nIt&#8217;s like,\\nyou know,\\nyou&#8217;re you&#8217;re actually poisoning yourself.\\nYou&#8217;re you&#8217;re\\ncontaminating your liver.\\nYou&#8217;re I mean, when I look back on it,\\nit&#8217;s easy now, this is the easy way,\\nbut it&#8217;s easy now to see, you know,\\nhow just how foolish it was and\\nand how I get and how\\n90 it seems like\\nI know they say 80% or 90%.\\nIt seemed like 99.9% of human beings,\\nat least in these United States,\\nare caught up in it.\\nThey&#8217;re just well, now\\nit&#8217;s starting to stall.\\nIt&#8217;s sort of changing a little bit\\nbecause with cigarettes\\nbeing,\\nyou know, ostracised the way they had been\\nand people\\nnot smoking the way they used to,\\nthing\\nis changing a little bit with alcohol.\\nYou see a few places\\nthat are alcohol free,\\nyou know, no drinking\\nand that kind of thing.\\nAnd so and that&#8217;s good.\\nBut for the most part, well,\\nexcuse me, what I&#8217;ve been coming at\\nwhile I was coming up,\\nthe opposite was true.\\nIf you didn&#8217;t drink, they looked at you\\nlike, Well, can we trust this guy?\\nYou mean then doesn&#8217;t drink?\\nYou know what&#8217;s wrong with it?\\nAnd then and you know, to that point,\\nI remember a few of my friends\\nwho never smoked or drink, and we would\\nlook at them as if they were nerds.\\nYeah. Yeah.\\nWhat&#8217;s wrong with you?\\nAnd, you know, it&#8217;s\\nso the glory and the shame are misplaced.\\nYou saying before about talk about the\\nthe addictive personality theory\\nand kind of laying the blame\\nat the door of the, the individual\\nwho&#8217;s imbibing, you know, the,\\nthe alcohol or the drug\\nrather than blaming\\nthe substance itself and society\\nthat rams it down all through\\nat such a young age as well.\\nAnd it&#8217;s it&#8217;s\\nvery empowering, isn&#8217;t it, to recognize\\nthat actually the fault doesn&#8217;t lie.\\nThere&#8217;s no inherent weakness\\nin in ourselves.\\nIt&#8217;s just the circumstances of the society\\nthat we&#8217;re kind of born into.\\nYeah.\\nAnd it&#8217;s also hard\\nbecause we are bombarded with I mean,\\nyou can&#8217;t, you can&#8217;t turn on the telly,\\nturn it all in here\\nwithout being bombarded with all these\\ncommercials, these advertisements\\nasking you or telling you\\nthat you&#8217;re just not cool\\nif you don&#8217;t drink,\\nyou know,\\nor any of that like 99 different brands of\\nfood or brandy of cognacs, 99 and wine.\\nOh, my God,\\nIf you&#8217;re not drinking lot, you know,\\njust reading this book\\none time I was actually taking a tally and\\nI just got tired because it&#8217;s too much.\\nToo much.\\nI was I was looking at how many times\\na commercial\\ncome on, that has or TV show or movie\\nthat has somebody\\nwith a drink of alcohol in their hands\\nit&#8217;s product placement.\\nIt&#8217;s called product placement\\nand it&#8217;s normal.\\nYou know, it becomes normal in your head\\nand therefore you are\\nyou become a victim to it because this\\nthe these you just bombarded\\nwith all these advertisements to say\\nthis is what you should be doing.\\nYou know, you&#8217;re you, you,\\nyou could be golden\\nif you drink this right now\\nyou&#8217;re you know, you&#8217;re just like copper\\nor you&#8217;re not even silver,\\nbut you could be gold.\\nI mean, it&#8217;s just so it&#8217;s so,\\nso blatant and in-your-face\\nand so regular that you are\\nit just you don&#8217;t even think about it.\\nBut now but once something like,\\nyou know, the easy way\\nbecause, you know, you,\\nyou know,\\nI started with easy way but I also\\ngot an\\neasy way to quit drinking,\\nstop eating sugar.\\nThe easy, easy, easy way to lose weight.\\nI lost about 15.\\nPounds.\\nFrom after after the alcohol.\\nAnd then you start thinking about the\\nall the sugar that&#8217;s in the alcohol\\nand then all that sugar, this\\nand all this other stuff.\\nAnd then you just start to do better.\\nSo I look back at the book\\nand I read everything on Kindle, right?\\nSo I&#8217;m looking back at the book\\nand I&#8217;m like,\\nDid he just hypnotise me through the book?\\nBut the words because the words, the\\nthe references and the way is laid\\nout, the way the book is laid out\\nwith you, with you,\\nwhen you get to the end, you realise,\\nOh my God,\\nhe just unravelled the whole thing\\nand I really don&#8217;t need that.\\nWhen you&#8217;ve quit yourself,\\nwhen you&#8217;ve kind of seen the light,\\nso to speak, and, and gone\\nfrom being entrenched in this,\\nthis view that you need\\ndrinking or cigarettes or drugs\\nto function properly and to shine,\\nyou know, in certain situations,\\nand then to see that you don&#8217;t need it,\\nyou really\\nyou want to help other people\\nwho are still in the under\\nthe illusion that they need it,\\nbecause you see them struggling\\nand you see them\\nkind of doing the, you know, three months\\non, three months off or whatever.\\nAnd you just your heart goes out to them.\\nAbsolutely. Absolutely.\\nAnd and yeah, you know, we,\\nyou know, believing\\nthat I had had an addictive personality\\nand seeing such an addicted society,\\nit really makes you want to\\nyou do you want to help?\\nIt&#8217;s like, wait a minute, wait a minute.\\nYou don&#8217;t have to be going through this\\nbecause it&#8217;s so much better\\non the other side.\\nIt&#8217;s just so much better\\nwhen you&#8217;re clean and sober.\\nIt&#8217;s just so it&#8217;s just better.\\nAnd but you don&#8217;t know that\\nif you believe if you think\\nthat is something,\\ndo something about your chemical makeup,\\nsomething about you\\npersonally in your chemical makeup\\nthat makes you have to use these\\nchemicals, That&#8217;s that&#8217;s the bullshit.\\nThat&#8217;s the\\nthat&#8217;s the lie that you knew. You\\nyou live with it.\\nYou like, Oh, man.\\nSo you wrestle.\\nYou know, listen,\\nthere&#8217;s been times in this, you know,\\nI don&#8217;t know how many people well,\\nprobably a lot of people go through this,\\nbut I would be driving down the street\\nand saying\\nto myself, I&#8217;m not going to drink today.\\nI&#8217;m not going to drink today.\\nI&#8217;m not going to drink today\\nand pull right into the liquor store\\nand go in and buy two bottles of wine.\\nAfter\\nI&#8217;ve said to myself just minutes ago,\\nseconds ago, I&#8217;m not going to do this.\\nIt&#8217;s like the automobile steering itself.\\nAnd that that is that is\\nit&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s debilitating because\\nit lowers your self esteem.\\nIt makes you feel bad about yourself.\\nIt makes you feel like\\nsomething else is in control of you.\\nSo every chance I every chance.\\nWell, the thing with this\\nwith the easy way though, is that\\nI don&#8217;t it it is done in such a fashion\\nthat you don&#8217;t\\nreally want to\\nballyhoo like, Oh, I don&#8217;t drink anymore.\\nYou should quit.\\nBecause I think the education that you get\\nthrough this methodology\\nmakes you compassionate enough to realise\\nyou can&#8217;t throw that in people&#8217;s face\\nbecause it&#8217;s\\nthat monster that hasn&#8217;t.\\nIt&#8217;s not them, it&#8217;s that monster.\\nAnd so\\nI&#8217;m just glad it came my way.\\nI think one of the questions you asked\\nwas, How did I find out about the easy way\\nI was searching, to be honest,\\nI was looking for\\nI over the years,\\nI went to a couple of hypnotists\\nabout the alcohol and it wasn&#8217;t\\nthe same as with the cigarettes.\\nI don&#8217;t know, after six or seven months or\\nso not drinking, I&#8217;d end up in a\\nin a set of circumstances\\nwhere everybody was drinking.\\nI remember\\none time I slipped off the wagon\\nat a wedding\\nI had excuse me.\\nSo I end up with a one flute,\\none one flute champagne.\\nRight.\\nAnd the next thing you know, I drink\\nhalf a bottle.\\nNow, at night,\\nmy little man, you&#8217;re calling.\\nListen, I didn&#8217;t drink anything\\nfor, like, six, seven months\\nIn that one\\nsituation, I was back on it. So.\\nSo that the hypnosis for that\\nfor that never really took all the way.\\nAnd so\\nover the over the years\\nand especially in the last like the last\\nbefore I actually quit with the easy way,\\nI went online and\\nif you go to YouTube,\\nthey have several people\\nwho have programs that say,\\nyou know, quit, quit with hypnosis.\\nI don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve set up\\nin this place with some headphones on.\\nListen to that.\\nListen to those sessions.\\nBut they never really worked.\\nNothing worked until I discover\\nit and cause the easy way.\\nAnd it was like, Oh my God,\\nI&#8217;ve been wrestling with this thing\\nand it really is easy.\\nIt was like, I just don&#8217;t drink anymore.\\nI just don&#8217;t drink anymore.\\nAnd, and add to it\\nis that, you know, I&#8217;ve told my wife\\nlike several times\\nthey&#8217;ve been through quit.\\nI&#8217;m done. It&#8217;s over. I drink.\\nThis is now.\\nOkay.\\nWhen I read Allen\\u2019s book,\\nI didn&#8217;t it wasn&#8217;t I didn&#8217;t go to her\\nand say, Honey, I&#8217;m done.\\nI didn&#8217;t do that.\\nI didn&#8217;t even feel the need to do that.\\nI just And she said,\\nI think maybe six months into\\nafter the first year,\\nbecause this is the second year,\\nshe said, You really quit this timer.\\nYeah, it was easy to start.\\nSometimes people worry\\nwhen they quit drinking that they&#8217;re going\\nto suffer with horrible withdrawal\\nfrom the drug or cravings.\\nTIE What was your experience?\\nYou know, I didn&#8217;t after okay,\\nmaybe halfway into the book,\\nI was still getting great.\\nBut I think the book\\nI don&#8217;t know\\nif this is the right way to say it,\\nbut it saved me so much that I wouldn&#8217;t\\nallow this this thing that just in\\nthis monster, this big lie,\\nthis attractively packaged poison\\nto manipulate and control my life\\nthe way it did.\\nI think I just\\nknow a no withdrawals, none of that.\\nI mean. Well, he talks about that.\\nYou know, it could be out.\\nNo, no, no.\\nGo back.\\nHistorically,\\nI know what it feels like to have\\nto have withdrawal symptoms because\\nlike I said, I did heroin for 15 years.\\nAnd in those 15 years, I want to say\\nat least ten times, there were situations\\nwhere I couldn&#8217;t get heroin\\nfor whatever reason, I couldn&#8217;t get it.\\nAnd those two or three days\\nthat I did not get it, it was horrible.\\nBut reading Allen Carr&#8217;s\\neasy way,\\nI fully understand better\\nnow that even then\\nthat was 99.9% psychological,\\nbecause even though my body did crave that\\nafter two or three days of not having it,\\nno, the symptoms weren&#8217;t even there.\\nIt was no symptoms.\\nAnd so\\nto your question\\nthis time.\\nNo, I didn&#8217;t.\\nNo symptoms of withdrawal.\\nNo. No craving, no wishing.\\nNow, I&#8217;ll be honest, there are times\\nwhen I say to myself, even now I was like,\\nCan you believe you just had a thought\\nabout drinking some alcohol?\\nBecause those thoughts\\ngo, I guess because I did it so much,\\nthose thoughts just pop up.\\nIt&#8217;s like we went\\nwe went to a retirement party\\nand, you know, was a retirement party.\\nRemember, I retired.\\nI didn&#8217;t I had no craving,\\nno, no, no, no.\\nI had no compulsions to drink.\\nIt&#8217;s just\\nI think the education that you get through\\nAllen Carr&#8217;s easy way is so\\nsubtle one,\\nbecause it sneaks up on you\\nwith what you just learned.\\nIt&#8217;s like\\nit&#8217;s it and it&#8217;s almost like,\\nyou know, I knew that.\\nI knew that.\\nBut the way it&#8217;s articulated\\njust brings it home.\\nAnd so\\nI have it.\\nNo, I haven&#8217;t craved\\nor had any real compulsions.\\nEvery now and again\\nI have a thought about,\\nyou know, I&#8217;m watching television.\\nI&#8217;m a sports guy.\\nYou know, I watch American football.\\nI watch the real football, too.\\nAnd then I love I love soccer\\nand which every if you&#8217;re watching any\\nyou know,\\nI watch basketball, baseball,\\nif you&#8217;re watching any of this stuff,\\nevery it every break,\\nthere&#8217;s a investissement about alcohol.\\nYeah.\\nAnd, you know, I say to myself, well,\\nhow could I if, if, if, if the athletes\\ndrink as much as they advertised,\\nthey couldn&#8217;t even play.\\nAnd there&#8217;s so much brainwashing.\\nBut actually the Allen Carr program\\nis very skillful at removing\\nall of those impressions and kind of\\nclearing your mind of this idea.\\nThe drug is, is providing you\\nwith any benefits.\\nAll this clever.\\nIt&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s like when he\\nwhen he, when he tells from the start\\nyou have to read it\\nall the way through and keep an open mind\\nall the way through.\\nAs an organiser,\\nI&#8217;m like, okay, all right, I&#8217;ll do that.\\nAnd if you keep your mind open,\\nit&#8217;s like all these revelations, Oh man.\\nAnd it&#8217;s a series.\\nIt&#8217;s like, like, like, like the ocean,\\nlike one wave gets involved\\nwith another wave\\nthat gets involved in the wave\\nthat&#8217;s behind it.\\nAnd the next thing you know, you&#8217;re\\nyou&#8217;ve arrived at that and it&#8217;s like\\nit&#8217;s just it&#8217;s it&#8217;s great.\\nIt&#8217;s a\\nI&#8217;m trying to think of a metaphor.\\nIt&#8217;s like it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost like\\nyou&#8217;re lulled into your sobriety.\\nIt&#8217;s yeah, that&#8217;s not the right way,\\nbut it&#8217;s like.\\nI do quite like that.\\nThe waves are quite gentle and yet\\nthe culmination of all of the waves\\nkind of leads you back to shore.\\nYeah, it&#8217;s like.\\nIt&#8217;s like easy.\\nIt&#8217;s the easy way. It&#8217;s like.\\nIt&#8217;s like.\\nLike you.\\nYou were caught up in this tumultuous\\nwhatever at sea,\\nand then you grab hold of this easy way,\\nand the next thing you know, you just.\\nAnd it was easy.\\nAnd you got to the and it&#8217;s like,\\nOh my God, I was dying\\nover here.\\nAnd I got rescued by this little\\nthis little teeny little boat.\\nLike, I just I don&#8217;t know. So.\\nYeah, yeah, it&#8217;s\\nso tore.\\nYou didn&#8217;t know\\nanyone who had quit with the program.\\nYou were just Googling\\nand you just came across the book.\\nYou didn&#8217;t.\\nNo one, right?\\nYeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.\\nAs a matter of fact,\\nI&#8217;ve recommended it to\\nmy son,\\nwho&#8217;s 32,\\nand he quitted the easy way I sent him.\\nI just. I just.\\nI just sent him the book\\nand I said because he had gotten a DUI.\\nI don&#8217;t know what you called him there.\\nYeah. DUI. Yeah,\\nyeah, yeah, yeah.\\nHe got in one of those young kid.\\nI mean, and,\\nyou know,\\nI feel that sort of I felt, you know,\\nalmost like 100% responsible\\nfor his drinking because.\\nYeah, you know, that\\nI got it from all you know, it&#8217;s like.\\nIt&#8217;s like,\\nalmost like you inherit this thing.\\nAnd in your mind, you thinking again\\nthat you have this\\nflawed gene\\nand you&#8217;ve passed this flawed gene down.\\nYeah.\\nAnd so as soon as I I&#8217;ll as soon it\\nand when I didn&#8217;t immediately\\nsend it to him, but when he called me\\nand told me he had to do. Yes.\\nHe said to you,\\nyou really want to quit drinking.\\nI said,\\nI got an easy way for you to do it.\\nAnd he called me back after\\nafter about maybe ten days with the book,\\nhe said, Hey, thanks, man.\\nI don&#8217;t even have a desire to drink.\\nSo I recommended it.\\nBut nobody.\\nNo, I never heard of it.\\nI found it.\\nI found the easy way online.\\nI was tired\\nand I bet I went through several.\\nLike I said, these quasi training programs\\nthat train in programs.\\nBut, you know, people have written books\\nand, you know, you do this.\\nYou did almost like 12 steps.\\nAnd then, you know, in then they have this\\nhypnotic set.\\nYou know, they&#8217;re using hypnosis.\\nAnd I&#8217;m like,\\nbut it never really resonates.\\nIt never it never really took\\nif necessary.\\nIt never stuck with me.\\nAnd it has quite far\\nreaching consequences\\nbecause like, when you when you start\\ntreating your body properly\\nand treating yourself properly,\\nthen you say, why actually, what about,\\nyou know, not everyone does this,\\nbut sometimes people start thinking,\\noh, you know,\\nwell, if I can knock drinking on the head,\\nmaybe I could,\\nyou know, address my eating or whatever\\nthings that kind of bothering them.\\nYeah.\\nYes, yes, yes.\\nYeah, Yeah.\\nThat&#8217;s a great point,\\nbecause I tended to blame every\\nevery problem that I\\nhad, you know, in my drinking.\\nAnd, and because that was easy\\nto do, you know, it&#8217;s like\\nif I just quitted drinking, I wouldn&#8217;t.\\nIf I could just quit drinking, I would\\nIf I could just quit drinking, I wouldn&#8217;t.\\nSo all of these, you know, if I would have\\ncoulda should\\nall on that monster, that thing is\\nvery it&#8217;s\\npeople don&#8217;t most people don&#8217;t understand\\njust how pervasive it is in this society\\nanyway.\\nI mean, it just takes over everything.\\nPeople,\\npeople live their lives around alcohol.\\nThey live their lives around\\nthat substance.\\nAnd they don&#8217;t\\nthey don&#8217;t believe that they&#8217;re abusing it\\nbecause they have been tricked\\nand trained into believing\\nthat they&#8217;re not, when in fact,\\nevery time you throw\\nsome of that poison in your body,\\nyou throwing your chemical makeup off,\\nyou growing,\\nyou&#8217;re negatively affecting your kidneys\\nand everything else,\\nevery every everywhere week.\\nI mean, it&#8217;s it&#8217;s poison.\\nYou talked about\\nwhen I can&#8217;t remember how you said it,\\nbut when he when he explained, you know,\\nwhat wine actually is\\nand about how it&#8217;s\\nfermented.\\nSo unfamiliar.\\nYeah. Grapes.\\nUnfair or unfair on an minute vegetable\\nwaste matter.\\nAnd think about it.\\nIt&#8217;s like, for real.\\nThat&#8217;s really what it is.\\nBecause that&#8217;s the only way\\nit gets to be alcohol, is it has to\\nit has to turn on itself.\\nSo this once good fruit\\nhas now turned rotten\\nand you&#8217;re drinking the rottenness.\\nOh, my God.\\nSo that was\\nthat was like, okay, that&#8217;s the see again.\\nThat&#8217;s the way why it becomes\\nit is the easy way because it&#8217;s like\\nthey need to smack me in the face\\nwith the fact that I&#8217;ve been drinking,\\nI&#8217;ve been drinking\\nrotten potatoes and rotten like my, my,\\nmy had a cousin, I had an older cousin.\\nMy, my, my, my mother&#8217;s brother&#8217;s\\nage who who he used to make.\\nYeah, he used to make wine from plums.\\nPeople, peaches, apples.\\nAnd that&#8217;s what you go to his place.\\nYou could smell. Yeah.\\nWhen it ferments, when it turns, it&#8217;s\\nlike the most rotten, stinking is really.\\nAnd but they would wait on him\\nfor the weekend\\ncause he comes with those jugs.\\nIs a popular. Man. Yeah, well.\\nWell. It&#8217;s funny. Yeah.\\nWhen you put it\\nin those terms in the very, you know,\\nbasic sense is just gone\\nall fruit and vegetables.\\nI remember I was in Lexington,\\nKentucky, in the institution\\nthat I was telling you about,\\nand some guys had made\\nit put up some prominent fruit\\nto make wine.\\nRight.\\nYou know, it&#8217;s here in the joint.\\nThat&#8217;s what they do in\\none of the\\nguys, the guy who made\\nthis particular batch had got shipped off\\nand the batch went over like this.\\nIt got off.\\nIt went over and exploded up\\nin the ceiling of the place\\nwhere he had it hidden\\nand it stank the whole place up.\\nAnd they you should have seen that.\\nThey were they were running around trying\\nto figure out where it&#8217;s coming from.\\nAnd it was\\nleaking down through the ceiling\\nbecause he had put it up in the ceiling.\\nI forgot all about that.\\nBut now that you now that we&#8217;re talking\\nabout it, it&#8217;s like that&#8217;s again, proof\\nthat that&#8217;s all it is.\\nAnd we I used to think of myself\\nas being quite\\nthe sophisticated lady drinking.\\nThis is going off great.\\nSo yeah, how we can turn that\\ninto this luxurious product.\\nExpensive delight is a bit kind of crazy.\\nYeah, well, you think about, like.\\nLike Courvoisier.\\nCourvoisier.\\nYou spend $50 a bottle\\nfor it, and it&#8217;s just grapes.\\nIt&#8217;s just grapes\\nwho have been ferment it\\nfor this a period of time\\nin this particular period of time,\\nmakes it worth $50,\\nwould have been a shorter period of time.\\nIt wouldn&#8217;t cost you as much.\\nBut because we let it rot\\nfor this amount of time\\nand we let it rotten in this particular\\nbarrel, see,\\nnow you have to pay a little bit more\\nyour money.\\nOh, my God.\\nWe feel for it.\\nYou know what? You know, not just us.\\nYou know, generation after generation is\\nhas kind of been duped in that way. And,\\nyou know, I think you&#8217;re you&#8217;re right\\nthat this maybe\\nthe tide is turning a bit\\nbecause when I quit drinking, it was\\nI almost didn&#8217;t want to tell anyone.\\nI quit because they would judge me.\\nPerhaps, you know,\\nwhat are you, an alcoholic?\\nWhat&#8217;s your you know, why don&#8217;t you drink?\\nIt&#8217;s much more mainstream now.\\nThe idea of, if not quitting completely,\\nat least giving yourself a break from it.\\nSo yeah,\\nat least the realisation that is poison.\\nI&#8217;m so pleased\\nthat you&#8217;ve come across the easy way.\\nAnd I&#8217;m so pleased\\nthat you gave us the time today.\\nTie two to talk about it\\nbecause it&#8217;s, you know, it&#8217;s important\\ngetting the message out there.\\nI appreciate you. Thank you.\\nThank you for being there.\\nThank you for for for being there because\\nit&#8217;s certainly it turned my life around.\\nIt certainly has been a game changer.\\nThe game changer because I was\\nyou know, I was\\nI was down so low\\nI could walk up underneath of an\\nearthworm with a top paddle\\nand then easy wake.\\nAnd I got up from under that thing. So.\\nSo populous.\\nThank you.\\nThank you so much, Ty. 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